Argentina Rentista Visa for 2024? What is the minimum income now for retirement visa for Argentina?

[StatusNomadicus]

Sorry. I'm talking about extending a tourist visa from 3 months to 6 months

ah, that is simple! as on another thread, the LovelyBlue website has a guide that was super accurate for me when i extended my 90-day tourist visa another 90 days, a couple months ago in CABA: https://inlovelyblue.com/extend-argentina-tourist-visa/ - but i've never heard of Migraciones denying an extension (you can only get maximum 180 days as a tourist, any more requires a Residency or violating the law with border runs or overstaying)

my situation is that of trying to get a Residency, since i'm at ~5 months now in Argentina. i want to be able to attend the 25May2025 Pacto de Mayo in Cordoba: https://www.casarosada.gob.ar/international/latest-news/50384-may-25th-pact

several people have been turned-away, denied entry, etc. from the border after violating the border-run or overstay immigration laws. if you do a search of this forum or the old censored forum, you'll see a decent amount of chatter. it's always a risk with multiple violations/abuses, no matter what anyone assures you.

@Sunny you're going to waste energy using logic and reason; the political commie zealots will hate Milei even if Argentina becomes the most-prosperous country in the world, because their worldview has told them that capitalism is bad and the 'workers' need to seize blah blah blah. but please discuss politics! this forum is for Expats in Buenos Aires, and there are always politics involved (why did i leave the USA? why did i choose Argentina? how should Immigrations treat people visiting and moving here? what opinions am i allowed to have, as someone who might be a citizen in 2 years?). if no one will argue with you, i will i hate when there is an echo-chamber, or when no one wants to discuss politics because 'arguing is bad' - arguing is how we got rid of slavery, let women vote, established federal republics, etc. - so please, keep at it!

 

[Sunny]

@StatusNomadicus, thanks, but no, thanks. 😊 I do not want to discuss politics. Back in the States, you couldn't avoid it, but here I can and do.

I'm here to learn from other expats and to share what I've learned in my own journey, that's all.

My comment to Larry was mainly to remind him that folks tend to get tunnel vision when their wallets or personal interests are on the line. It is hard to see the bigger picture when your plans for the next several years suddenly seem uncertain.

You leave behind your own culture to settle into a whole new, totally different one. Just when you're starting to feel at home, a political shake-up leaves you feeling exposed. And now you are older, the world's gone to crap, everyone, from everywhere, scrambling to find a better, more affordable place to live and those hotspots quickly become less affordable and more difficult to immigrate to.

 

[Larry]

I don't want to live like a king. I just want to be able to live. And that isn't possible for the majority of Argentines now as most of them are living in poverty. Yes I know that Milei isn't to blame for all of this but my point is that poverty, homelessness, cost of living, inflation are all getting much worse since he took over office.

My point is that Argentina is not "flourishing" under Milei. It's getting much worse!

 

[Sunny]

Yes I know that Milei isn't to blame for all of this [...] My point is that Argentina is not "flourishing" under Milei. It's getting much worse!

My last comment on this conversaton:

Have you ever noticed that when you get a nasty cold the first day you feel bad, but not as bad as the second and third day? And that it takes at least a full week to start feeling normal again? That's because things always get worse before they have a chance to get better.

 

[Larry]

My last comment on this conversaton:

Have you ever noticed that when you get a nasty cold the first day you feel bad, but not as bad as the second and third day? And that it takes at least a full week to start feeling normal again? That's because things always get worse before they have a chance to get better.

Problem is with your example of someone having a cold. Milei is taking that person that has a cold and he is cutting off their limbs. Maybe they might feel better later but for now he cut off their arms and legs.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

😊 I do not want to discuss politics. Back in the States, you couldn't avoid it, but here I can and do.

aw man, i love getting Uber drivers and other locals fired-up about their politics! i've met some street-smart folks in BsAs and Cordoba, who can explain economic common-sense better than Milei can!

you'd also hate the essay i just wrote for my Latin America History class - the title was "Perón, Argentina, and Nazi Immigration: A Historiography, 1930-1960 CE"
Politics are life! no worries if you don't like arguing, but part of the human experience is exchanging ideas and deciding on what best serves humanity.

check out these cool quotes i found in my research!

Beginning at the end of the First World War, totalitarian and authoritarian ideas and movements had gained ground in Europe. In 1922 Mussolini came to power in Italy. Stalin was in the midst of constructing his absolutist regime in the Soviet Union. And in 1933 the Nazis triumphed in Germany. The worldwide depression helped discredit liberal democracy, which, economically speaking, was associated with capitalism. Capitalism, having promised equal opportunity and abundance, had entered a black hole from which it seemed helpless to emerge. Instead of a better life, it had engendered poverty, unemployment, and despair. Liberal democracy, with its parties and its apparently futile political struggles which divided national polities, was seen by totalitarian ideologues as a form of government that would never solve the crisis at hand. Capitalism and liberal democracies seemed to be things of the past.
Boris Fausto and Sergio Fausto, A Concise History of Brazil, Second Edition (New York: Cambridge University Press, 2014), Chapter 4.2.

the traditional liberalism that guided Paraguay since the turn of the [twentieth] century and led it through the Chaco War no longer sufficed to meet urgent societal and economic needs. Many Latin Americans, Paraguayans included, looked in the 1930s to Italy and Germany as examples of successful, nationalistic, modernizing nations. Greater state intervention in the economy was deemed necessary by reformist Paraguayans, and the authoritarian models of Germany and Italy appeared to them to be more successful during the Great Depression than the liberal democracies of the West. Then, too, that type of authoritarianism could more easily be grafted onto traditional modes of leadership in Latin America.
Jerry W. Cooney, review of Nazismo y Fascismo en el Paraguay volumes 1 and 2, The American Historical Review 93, no. 4 (October 1988): 1153.

Buenos Aires was awash with refugee German Nazis, Italian Fascists, Spanish Falangists, Belgian Rexists, and expatriate members of the French Vichy government, the Romanian Iron Guard, the Croatian Ustashi, and the Hungarian Arrow Cross. The number of high-level war criminals totaled in the low hundreds, but many thousands more had been members of these groups and, at the very least, complicit in the atrocities of the war. They associated with one another, and some were very close to Perón, working either for his government directly or for state-sponsored businesses.
Neil Bascomb, Hunting Eichmann: How a Band of Survivors and a Young Spy Agency Chased Down the World’s Most Notorious Nazi (New York: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2009), 76.

Fiercely Catholic, Tacuara had been modeled on the Spanish Falange, led by José Antonio Primo de Rivera. It was militant, fascist, and anti-Semitic. Its members favored violence to achieve their ends, which included freeing Argentina from liberal democracy, capitalism, and the Jewish influence. New members swore an oath of allegiance in a graveyard, cut their hair short, trained in militant camps, wore gray shirts and armbands stitched with the Maltese cross, addressed one another as “comrade,” idolized Hitler and Mussolini, used the Nazi salute, and spread anti-Semitic and nationalist propaganda. They were often seen roaming the city on motorcycles.
Bascomb, 251.

Argentina was the only country in Latin America which failed to declare war on the side of the Allies during World War II (and it was reportedly only under pressure from the U.S. that it refrained from overtly joining the Axis). Its German-trained armed forces had been penetrated by the Nazis. There was a strong pro-Axis faction within Grupo de Oficiales Unidos (GOU), which seized power in 1943, and the U.S. State Department's ‘Blue Book’ on Argentina issued just prior to the elections in February 1946, apparently in the mistaken hopes of hurting Juan Perón's chances of victory, contained documentary proof of Perón's Axis ties. Following the war, Argentina - despite its Jewish community - hosted a large colony of Nazis. Many known Nazi criminals were given de facto asylum, including Edward Roschmann, ‘the Butcher of Riga,’ responsible for the killing of 40,000 Jews in Riga. Argentina refused West Germany's request to extradite a number of war criminals, such as Karl Klingenfuss and Dr. Josef Mengele, whose medical experiments and role in the ‘selection process’ at Auschwitz made him the most wanted Nazi until the discovery in June 1985 of his death six years earlier. It was also in Argentina that Adolf Eichmann, albeit under an assumed name, found refuge in 1950. His kidnapping by Israeli secret service agents in May 1960 considerably strained Israeli-Argentine relations […].
Bishara Bahbah, “Israel's Military Relationship with Ecuador and Argentina,” Journal of Palestine Studies 15, no. 2 (1986): 93.

Peron: From Germany, I went back to Italy and dedicated myself to the subject. My understanding of Italian language permitted me to penetrate deeply into the fundamentals of the system, and because of that, I was able to discover something from that social perspective that was very interesting to me. Italian Fascism brought effective public participation to nationalism, which was lacking in the community. Until Mussolini came to power, the country was split between Worker and State, with the workers not having any participation in it. I discovered the resurgence of [State-run] corporations, and studied them thoroughly.
Carlos Daniel Lasa, ¿Qué es el peronismo?: Una mirada transpolítica (Salta Argentina: Catholic University of Salta, 2019): 15-18.

After Germany’s defeat, Perón wanted to secure the immigration of Nazi scientists and engineers to benefit his country’s military research and to promote industrialization. But he also felt that it was his duty to be a friend to the Germans and to others from the Axis states, and he helped any who wanted to come to his country to build a new life, no matter what they had done during the war. He viewed the Nuremberg trials as an “outrage that history will never forgive” and pledged to do whatever he could to help others avoid the fate of their defendants.
Bascomb, 69-70.

Argentina remained neutral during the Second World War. However, according to one of the many storyboards, there was strong Nazi backing within the political ranks in Buenos Aires that eventually led to the 1943 coup. Subsequently, an escape route for Nazis into Buenos Aires, organized in Rome, was directed by Bishop Alois Hudal. That ‘ruta de las ratas’ (‘rat line’) was already operating when Juan Domingo Perón took power in 1946. Argentina under Perón continued to authorize their entry so as to attract qualified scientists and engineers - not unlike the US, which also hoped to benefit from their technical expertise. Between 1947 and 1952, many of those fleeing Germany for Argentina were war criminals wanted by the Nuremberg tribunals. Upon arrival they were shielded by the Peronist government and the hierarchy of the Catholic Church and were gradually incorporated into the state. They settled in certain areas that had large German immigrant populations, such as San Carlos de Bariloche, La Cumbrecita, Villa General Belgrano, and the north of Buenos Aires.
Michael Welch, “Exterminate and Denial: Transform Society,” Chapter 10 in The Bastille Effect: Transforming Sites of Political Imprisonment (Oakland: University of California Press, 2022), 153.

The files for war criminals Erich Priebke and Josef Mengele turned out to be consecutively numbered, 211712/48 and 211713/48 respectively, even though they arrived in Argentina on separate ships seven months apart. Since Immigration was opening files at a rate of over 500 a day during 1948, we can be 100 percent certain that this was a simultaneous presentation by one person in favour of two major Nazi war criminals. [There is] clear evidence that an organized system for the rescue of Nazi war criminals was in place.
Goñi, 177.

In order to obtain favor with the Peróns, Skorzeny retrained the peronista secret police, teaching them Gestapo tricks in order to control the extensive unrest in Argentina at the time. Afterward, these police were regarded as the most brutal in South America. Skorzeny made sure they were on constant lookout for any attempt on the lives of the Peróns, apprehending in July 1947 two characters who, according to him, were planning to murder Evita, though this may have been a ruse to gain Evita’s gratitude. Later she regarded Skorzeny as her hero. They went on 2- and 3-day trips to inspect government facilities, but were holed up in one of her secret locations. According to Charles Whiting, Skorzeny managed to obtain approximately $100 million of the Nazi gold from Evita, which he shipped back to Europe to finance his various fascist projects.
Kenneth J. Campbell, “Otto Skorzeny: The Most Dangerous Man in Europe,” American Intelligence Journal 30, no. 1 (2012): 148.

Obsessed with the desire to shed his fascist image, [Perón] became a patron of [Argentina's] Jewish community, to the extent of alienating some of his most devoted right-wing allies or whom antisemitism was a core value. He continued this strategy despite Jewish Argentines' evident mistrust of him, as shown by their reluctance to join his personally directed Jewish organization or to vote the peronista ticket.https://www.expatsba.com/#_ftn1
Judith Laikin Elkin, review of Argentina, Israel, and the Jews: Perón, the Eichmann Capture and after, The American Historical Review 109, no. 1 (February 2004): 157.

@Sunny don't let the Commies win!! the loud, vocal minority needs to have their stupid claims rejected with evidence, whenever possible. they won't learn or grow if they think their childish 'opinions' on reality are accepted by society. sometimes, a good public embarrassment is necessary to humiliate us when we're being arrogant/hubristic and too-certain about life

under Milei. It's getting much worse!

*yawnnnnn. do you and Avocado have any other viewpoints other than Peronista 101?

Milei is taking that person that has a cold and he is cutting off their limbs. Maybe they might feel better later but for now he cut off their arms and legs.

i guess i should have read your next comment. as usual, when it comes to politics and milk prices, everyone gets dumber when you write in this forum, @Larry

the more i talk to Peronists, the more i realize that there really is nothing past the initial tribalism of 'other guy evil' - there is no plan, no logic, no consideration that perhaps 70 years of Fascism might be responsible for the country's decline, and not the evil Peluca who just got sworn-in at lunchtime.

 

[Avocado]

aw man, i love getting Uber drivers and other locals fired-up about their politics! i've met some street-smart folks in BsAs and Cordoba, who can explain economic common-sense better than Milei can!

you'd also hate the essay i just wrote for my Latin America History class - the title was "Perón, Argentina, and Nazi Immigration: A Historiography, 1930-1960 CE"
Politics are life! no worries if you don't like arguing, but part of the human experience is exchanging ideas and deciding on what best serves humanity.

check out these cool quotes i found in my research!













@Sunny don't let the Commies win!! the loud, vocal minority needs to have their stupid claims rejected with evidence, whenever possible. they won't learn or grow if they think their childish 'opinions' on reality are accepted by society. sometimes, a good public embarrassment is necessary to humiliate us when we're being arrogant/hubristic and too-certain about life


*yawnnnnn. do you and Avocado have any other viewpoints other than Peronista 101?


i guess i should have read your next comment. as usual, when it comes to politics and milk prices, everyone gets dumber when you write in this forum, @Larry

the more i talk to Peronists, the more i realize that there really is nothing past the initial tribalism of 'other guy evil' - there is no plan, no logic, no consideration that perhaps 70 years of Fascism might be responsible for the country's decline, and not the evil Peluca who just got sworn-in at lunchtime.

Why you always call me a communist? Im no communist. You only use that argument for any anti-Milei members.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

Im no communist.

oh great! then describe how Peronism is any different than Fascism/Socialism/Communism/Populism/Marxism/Postmodernism for me. in the meantime, i've shared multiple times this youtube link by academic James Lindsay, who analyzes the ideology of Totalitarianism, and how they are all the same in their end state. i know you didn't watch it earlier, and you won't watch it now, but for the rest of the non-zealots, it might be useful:

 

[Digital Nomad]

@StatusNomadicus, thanks, but no, thanks. 😊 I do not want to discuss politics. Back in the States, you couldn't avoid it, but here I can and do.

I'm here to learn from other expats and to share what I've learned in my own journey, that's all.

My comment to Larry was mainly to remind him that folks tend to get tunnel vision when their wallets or personal interests are on the line. It is hard to see the bigger picture when your plans for the next several years suddenly seem uncertain.

You leave behind your own culture to settle into a whole new, totally different one. Just when you're starting to feel at home, a political shake-up leaves you feeling exposed. And now you are older, the world's gone to crap, everyone, from everywhere, scrambling to find a better, more affordable place to live and those hotspots quickly become less affordable and more difficult to immigrate to.

Totally agree with you @Sunny. Something I hate to discuss is politics. Everytime I go back home I always get sucked into a discussion about if Trump or Biden is better and I tell people they are both senile jerks and I don't like either. Here I learned to avoid talk of Milei. Half my girlfriend's family likes him and half hates him. I figure I can't win even trying to argue for/against so I keep my mouth shut.

 

[Bill]

Totally agree with you @Sunny. Something I hate to discuss is politics. Everytime I go back home I always get sucked into a discussion about if Trump or Biden is better and I tell people they are both senile jerks and I don't like either. Here I learned to avoid talk of Milei. Half my girlfriend's family likes him and half hates him. I figure I can't win even trying to argue for/against so I keep my mouth shut.

You sound like a smart man!

 

[IrishLad]

Exactly. The rules are changing. See this.

The air travel requirement giving digital nomads a migraine — and how to avoid it - Buenos Aires Herald

Airlines overcomplying with proof of onward travel has seen full-time travelers miss their flights. Here’s how to avoid the problem

buenosairesherald.com

My sister works for an airline and she told me that often times the airlines also direct the agents to find an excuse to deny boarding when they oversell the flights (which is often). So this may not be all Argentina but the airlines trying to make more money. While the airline might get them on the next flight, they have no obligation to refund or rebook them.

 

[IrishLad]

What is this obsession of Americans to always want to discuss politics?

 

[StatusNomadicus]

obsession of Americans

your ignorance is showing again; ever asked an Argentine about the Malvinas? a Serb about Kosovo? an Indian about Pakistan? a Palestinian about Netanyahu? a non-Zionist or secular Jew about Zionism? Catalan about independence from Spain? an Armenian about Turkey? nearby tribes about the Bantu people? an ethnic Swede about Islamist zones? and where you claim in your username to hail from, should we time-travel back to Ireland in 1969 and tell the rioters to shut the f*ck up, and stop 'being so obsessed with politics'? see how stupid that sounds? the problem of this 'take' is that it suggests that today's events are less-important than revolutions, protests, discussions, etc. about human society and governance in the past. is that your claim? because it's your implicit claim, whether you've considered it or not. they say an unexamined life isn't worth living; how examined are your viewpoints? have you ever considered what it would be like to be someone in New York City today, struggling to afford food and basic services, while 'migrants' are getting pre-paid debit cards and being housed in hotels? as Jimmy Dore said recently: can't we take care of the homeless people under bridges all over the USA, instead of purposely-bringing military-aged males from China, Central America, etc. over the border? these are important topics, and not unique to the USA. in Argentina, many hard-working folks have expressed frustration that a Brazilian can come to Argentina, get free school and benefits for 7 years, then go back to Brazil as a physician and pay-back nothing to Argentina. not only is this NOT sustainable, obviously, just look around, but it also isn't fair for people born in Argentina who want to pay less taxes and who can't do the same in Brazil. to dismiss all of these things as 'being obsessed with politics' truly strikes me as about as ignorant as you can get. should people not be interested in which countries their military is bombing? should people not care if their taxes are 20% or 70%? should we just let things happen and not discuss them, because some dumbass on the internet thinks it's unreasonable or annoying?

in fact, many countries have passionate debates about how things ought to be run. when your taxes are up to 70%, you tend to get interested (and thus opinionated) about where that money is going. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...ociety-especially-in-south-korea-and-the-u-s/

this could be an issue relating to how politics are discussed...in-person, or view the internet/etc. many countries have more comfort when political discussions are face-to-face:

2. More people are comfortable discussing politics in person than on their phones or via social media

Some people in the 11 countries surveyed stand out for their comfort discussing politics in a variety of venues – whether face-to-face, via mobile phone

www.pewresearch.org

South Korea and the US were at 90% for feelings of conflict between rival political parties recently:

Diversity and Division in Advanced Economies

Wide majorities in most countries surveyed say having people of many different backgrounds improves their society, but most also see conflicts between partisan, racial and ethnic groups.

www.pewresearch.org

"what's with this obsession for South Koreans with politics," right @IrishLad?

Everytime I go back home I always get sucked into a discussion about if Trump or Biden is better and I tell people they are both senile jerks and I don't like either.

true, the Trump/Biden 'debate' isn't a debate, but instead just a false dichotomy between 2 tribes. Trump and Biden are almost exactly the same in how they veto/vote/preside (Uniparty), yet the human desire to have a singular person in-charge, like a monarch, seems to be a trend in history.

South Park did it the best years ago with the Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich debate i think it's reasonable to both be interested in politics (Local seems more effective in effecting change) and also realize that the rigged system in the USA and other countries doesn't allow for the best candidates to even get to a debate stage (Ron Paul every election, RFK even today is de-platformed, etc.). this is why i'm still amazed that Milei even had any chance of getting notoriety; shows you just how bad things had to be for people to cast a desperation vote, 'anything other than Peronist spending'

 

[Darksider415]

What is this obsession of Americans to always want to discuss politics?

If, by Americans, you mean the continent, then absolutely.

A considerable number of my Argentinian and Brazilian (as well as one of my best friends who is from Paraguay) friends are all very in touch with politics and relish the chance to discuss them, with views ranging from thinking Lula is too far right, all the way to die-hard Mileistas and Bolsonaristas.

We don't necessarily agree on the correct path to our desired end state, but we all voice a desire for a better, more stable, more robust and stronger Argentina.

Also, obligatory "Las Malvinas son argentinas, siempre" here.

 

[Sunny]

your ignorance is showing again; ever asked an Argentine about the Malvinas? a Serb about Kosovo? an Indian about Pakistan? a Palestinian about Netanyahu? a non-Zionist or secular Jew about Zionism? Catalan about independence from Spain? an Armenian about Turkey? nearby tribes about the Bantu people? an ethnic Swede about Islamist zones? and where you claim in your username to hail from, should we time-travel back to Ireland in 1969 and tell the rioters to shut the f*ck up, and stop 'being so obsessed with politics'? see how stupid that sounds? the problem of this 'take' is that it suggests that today's events are less-important than revolutions, protests, discussions, etc. about human society and governance in the past. is that your claim? because it's your implicit claim, whether you've considered it or not. they say an unexamined life isn't worth living; how examined are your viewpoints? have you ever considered what it would be like to be someone in New York City today, struggling to afford food and basic services, while 'migrants' are getting pre-paid debit cards and being housed in hotels? as Jimmy Dore said recently: can't we take care of the homeless people under bridges all over the USA, instead of purposely-bringing military-aged males from China, Central America, etc. over the border? these are important topics, and not unique to the USA. in Argentina, many hard-working folks have expressed frustration that a Brazilian can come to Argentina, get free school and benefits for 7 years, then go back to Brazil as a physician and pay-back nothing to Argentina. not only is this NOT sustainable, obviously, just look around, but it also isn't fair for people born in Argentina who want to pay less taxes and who can't do the same in Brazil. to dismiss all of these things as 'being obsessed with politics' truly strikes me as about as ignorant as you can get. should people not be interested in which countries their military is bombing? should people not care if their taxes are 20% or 70%? should we just let things happen and not discuss them, because some dumbass on the internet thinks it's unreasonable or annoying?

in fact, many countries have passionate debates about how things ought to be run. when your taxes are up to 70%, you tend to get interested (and thus opinionated) about where that money is going. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...ociety-especially-in-south-korea-and-the-u-s/

this could be an issue relating to how politics are discussed...in-person, or view the internet/etc. many countries have more comfort when political discussions are face-to-face:

2. More people are comfortable discussing politics in person than on their phones or via social media

Some people in the 11 countries surveyed stand out for their comfort discussing politics in a variety of venues – whether face-to-face, via mobile phone

www.pewresearch.org

South Korea and the US were at 90% for feelings of conflict between rival political parties recently:

Diversity and Division in Advanced Economies

Wide majorities in most countries surveyed say having people of many different backgrounds improves their society, but most also see conflicts between partisan, racial and ethnic groups.

www.pewresearch.org

"what's with this obsession for South Koreans with politics," right @IrishLad?


true, the Trump/Biden 'debate' isn't a debate, but instead just a false dichotomy between 2 tribes. Trump and Biden are almost exactly the same in how they veto/vote/preside (Uniparty), yet the human desire to have a singular person in-charge, like a monarch, seems to be a trend in history.

South Park did it the best years ago with the Giant Douche vs Turd Sandwich debate i think it's reasonable to both be interested in politics (Local seems more effective in effecting change) and also realize that the rigged system in the USA and other countries doesn't allow for the best candidates to even get to a debate stage (Ron Paul every election, RFK even today is de-platformed, etc.). this is why i'm still amazed that Milei even had any chance of getting notoriety; shows you just how bad things had to be for people to cast a desperation vote, 'anything other than Peronist spending'

Status, I get your point, but IrishLad most likely did not mean it that way. Maybe I'm wrong, but perhaps he's just as tired and exhausted as I am when it comes to discussing politics. I'm also sure that, as an Irish national, he doesn't speak from ignorance, given his country's history.

I hold four citizenships and one permanent residency. I've lived in the Americas, Europe and Asia - for very long years in four countries and for several months in two. I've been around, my friends call me the passport collector. You are right, people discuss politics in every country, but the US definitely takes the cake. The political discourse in the past 12 years in the States has been truly exhausting.

 

[IrishLad]

Status, I get your point, but IrishLad most likely did not mean it that way. Maybe I'm wrong, but perhaps he's just as tired and exhausted as I am when it comes to discussing politics. I'm also sure that, as an Irish national, he doesn't speak from ignorance, given his country's history.

I hold four citizenships and one permanent residency. I've lived in the Americas, Europe and Asia - for very long years in four countries and for several months in two. I've been around, my friends call me the passport collector. You are right, people discuss politics in every country, but the US definitely takes the cake. The political discourse in the past 12 years in the States has been truly exhausting.

Correct @Sunny. You nailed it on the head. I am just tired of all the politics as it can get old. Politics are always going to be discussed and that is ok but the US has some obsession. I visited the USA recently for business. I turned on the TV station and all the channels had Trump and Biden news 24/7. Nothing else. CNN used to be a channel that I listened for worldwide events. Now it only has "breaking news" about Biden or Trump. Same as Fox, MSNBC and many other channels. It's politics 24/7. Non stop. That is what I meant.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

perhaps he's just as tired and exhausted as I am when it comes to discussing politics

which addresses none of the counter-points i made on my last post. should the French have been 'tired and exhausted' about the prisoners in the Bastille? if you assert that politics are 'exhausting' then again, that claim implies that events in the past were more important than events today. @Darksider415 notes well that if you spend any amount of time with any human on earth, they will have some observations about justice, fairness, and how they feel they are able to navigate society. these observations lead to feelings. these feelings lead to research and opinions. these opinions manifest themselves in political stances, which leads to voting, and trying to demonstrate how life could be better, to other people in similar circumstances. discussing politics isn't a mandated thing; it's easy enough to just say 'i'm not political' and move on. if people around you are arguing, go somewhere else or don't associate with them if it bothers you that much. to be uninvolved in politics, especially at the Local level, is to be uninvested in your community and society, and is a sort of Pacifist argument; Pacifists shrug when Nazis are gassing Jews, and when Soviets are filling gulags.

I am just tired of all the politics as it can get old

nothing has changed with this, though, you're acting like USA is unique, and this election year is unique, which was the point of my post that criticized these stupid implicit claims. if you don't like to debate, then stop making stupid posts that have claims in them! if i post that i think Argentine BBQ is flavorless and super-overrated compared to Texas/Kansas/Brazil, then i'm inviting a debate. i can't then turn around and say 'wow all these Argentines are so obsessed with asado, and i'm sick of it this year!

you probably didn't shut-up about COVID in 2020-2021, right? you probably were loud about BrExit, yeah? how come you get to have these opinions, and make claims/assertions, but USA and Argentine folks don't? you can play the victim all you want, but you are the one that makes dumb posts, not based on reality, then gets all butt-hurt when people show that you're full of sh*t.

Politics are always going to be discussed and that is ok

yes, the only truthful or worthwhile thing you've posted on this forum. agreed.

but the US has some obsession.

how dumb do you have to be to make a claim, get it debunked with a mini-essay, then make the same claim again with no evidence or further argument? nothing you do on this forum adds value; have you thought about that? this is a place to debate, share info, make networks, give advice, not complain about people communicating with each other. what do you offer here?

I visited the USA recently for business. I turned on the TV station and all the channels had Trump and Biden news 24/7. Nothing else. CNN used to be a channel that I listened for worldwide events. Now it only has "breaking news" about Biden or Trump. Same as Fox, MSNBC and many other channels. It's politics 24/7. Non stop.

yeah, no sh*t. it's an election year. this happens everyyyyyyyyy election year. did you travel to the USA in 2016? 2008? the "news" was just about national elections. Obama was going to save us. Hillary was the best candidate, Trump was going to ruin the country. blah blah blah

in addition, since you're closer to Europe than me, i might add one anecdote that disproves your claims in two ways:

2016-2017 i was in Europe/Scandinavia/UK/etc. a LOT. like, 20 countries in 2 years or something, with 30-day backpacking trips twice a year, was in Iceland all the way to Greece. guess how many mothafuckas heard my accent and wanted to ask about Trump and make a statement about how evil he was? like 9 out of 10 people. i stopped going to Europe for a bit, because it was so annoying. Ireland, Wales, Scotland, you name it. everyone was obsessed with Trump, and kind of still is. Trump Derangement Syndrome had a variant outbreak all over the EU/etc. so instead of complaining, i just changed the subject, and traveled elsewhere. why were all of these people, hundreds over a couple years, so obsessed with Trump before and after he was elected? it was like my entire identity was Trump-Killary for 2 years, despite me being a student, bitcoiner, libertarian, anti-war guy; nothing else mattered other than 'oh we see the news and Trump is crazy!!!'

i know your next comment is going to be as stupid as your life advice to me a couple months ago, but i just wanted to say: it's okay to argue. but you're just really unintelligent AND arrogant about it, rather than asking questions and self-reflecting on your 'views' that you assert so boldly, while wanting to censor others

 

[Avocado]

Why you so angry and aggressive? Because you can't get legal stay in my country??

 

[Sunny]

which addresses none of the counter-points i made on my last post.

Glad you noticed.

it's easy enough to just say 'i'm not political' and move on.

That's right, and it serves me well.

to be uninvolved in politics, especially at the Local level, is to be uninvested in your community and society,

You think that I am "uninvolved in politics" at the local level because I don't want to waste my time reading and discussing what you think about politics? 😂

 

[Larry]

Glad you noticed.



That's right, and it serves me well.



You think that I am "uninvolved in politics" at the local level because I don't want to waste my time reading and discussing what you think about politics? 😂

Correct. People can be involved without arguing on a message board or every coffee chat about it. Be careful @Sunny or you might also get labeled a communist.