Has anyone applied and been approved for the Rentista visa?

[Betsy Ross]

@Bingo how many times have you been to Argentina?? seems like big plans...there was SO much that i read online, that ended up being very untrue when i got to Buenos Aires in Nov2023.

1. i wouldn't pay a year up-front, or even consider long-term renting without a DNI number. i lived in Airbnbs if you check my past posts, for several months in 3 provinces, and i can help you find some good listings on Airbnb to negotiate with (paying in Dollars, Zelle, crypto maybe but probably not, haggling from their Foreigner Pricing, etc.) - let me know which area, and when! 90% of Argies don't travel much and have sh*t customer service, so when you find a good landlord/Host, appreciate them.and don't be afraid to move your suitcase every month or 2 - there's a lot of freedom in being mobile, though some people can't handle the "stress." i found lots of places that looked good on paper, but were shady after being there a week. i was ALWAYS glad to be independent.

2. why permanent residency and citizenship? for me, i want to renounce my USA passport some day, so i'm here for political reasons (and safety from wars/nonsense/Islamism). have you read Doug Casey and James Hickman online? great resources.

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3. Immigration will need original. physical copies of a lot of pointless stuff. make sure you plan your trips perfectly, or you'll end up restarting the "clock" or paying $120 USD for DHL to send you a few pages. many things just take months to do. for instance, i bought a house in October/November a few months ago and i STILL don't have the deed 😛 we say "cosas argentinas"

4. i personally wouldn't overstay, because it's not a "crime" now, but it's still a violation of your visa. old-school people here will swear that it will never change...but it's up to your personal risk factor. i like to do everything in the "white" and have a perfect papertrail. just my style. if you're in Argentina for 90 days and you like it, just go pay the $20 USD or whatever and extend your Tourist Visa another 90 days - it takes 3 hours max, and i haven't heard of anyone getting denied. of course it's stressful not knowing if you'll be able to stay, 10 days in the future (you can't extend it until the last second, stupidly). there's a ton of info if you use the Search function here and on the old censored forum BAExpats dot org (but the owner Igor is a communist douchebag and deletes a ton of posts like a psycho).

5. i haven't had a stable address until i closed on my house in Mendoza, so if you have a friend that can let you use their mailing address, you're ahead of the game!! you can always change your address down the road - just the usual trámite bureaucracy like anywhere, to adjust it (i did mine at the Civil Registry in 2 hours, then got Immigration to change it in their system).

6. regarding your immigration lawyer, was it Delgado? most of those people have no clue, and don't actually have success stories. especially Rubilar, who is probably the biggest scammy-salesman. i asked 4 lawyers about everything from LLC, to Trust, to monthly transfers, but every single one has a different opinion. 2 lawyers once told me 2 opposite things. i'm currently 12 months into a Rentista application, and so far the Mendoza delegation has worked with me, but wants me to deposit A YEAR of 5x salaries into an Argentine bank account. so, be careful what you choose. they wanted me to do about 17k USD deposited in my Banco Nacion savings Peso account, at the official rate. and get proof apostilled, translated, accountant legalized, etc. which costs 400 bucks after all the paperwork and shipping. so let me know if you have any specific questions. and trust no one who is taking money from you 😛 Rentier stuff just is still Wild West territory, if you read these forums.

That was my experience with immigration lawyers when I went through the process. It's been a long time since I did but it was the same back then with most of them giving totally different advice. Sometimes directly conflicting information from one another. I was glad to get my permanent residency when I did. I don't know if it will get more difficult in the future.

@StatusNomadicus no worries on the title deed issue. Mine took about 8 months to get. There was a big backlog with the government back when I got it but with the copy that I got at closing it was suitable for everything I needed it for. I think the only thing you might have problems doing is selling it before you get the title deed but doubt you would do that as the costs are so high to flip.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

@Betsy Ross and @Wally thanks for the timeline...i don't need the Deed, it's just funny that in other countries you sign and pay and get the paperwork all in the same day as the house keys...what on earth could possibly take 8 months to put a stamp on something? lol, what a clownshow. still much to be chainsawed here, for many years, to undo the decades of socialism

@Bingo great that you've already been - then you know 90% of what i was going to say! i would for sure never book an Airbnb or local rental for a year, but many people here may do that, so hit up the veterans and ask how you should go about it. i loved moving around every 1-4 months. one day of moving every now and then, and i've seen exponentially more of the real Argentina than the Palermo permatourists. not everyone wants to be a gypsy, though, and that's okay. maybe for your situation it would help others now and in the future to see how a real-time housing search works?

without getting too nosy, let us know your price range and basic preferences, and i'd love to help find some Airbnb listings for you. often, i rent on Airbnb for a month, and the first week if it's good i will offer to pay USD cash or Zelle to the owner, to do a mid-term rent contract. Locals are very distrustful of everyone, which you might be referring to by "stubborn" - it's more of a scam-ridden society, especially in BsAs, with a low-trust-society aspect of daily life, unfortunately.

there are many countries to retire in, so keep an open mind about the whole world. Argentina pisses me off about many things, but the safety and overall peaceful aspects are hard to beat compared to similar-sized cities in the US and EU in the last 10 years.

overstay dead-horse-beating here for my opinion: https://www.expatsba.com/threads/is-it-true-that-2-visa-overstays-auto-5-year-ban.1844/post-11861

re: Residencies and opinions on Rentier/Rentista, the law is written horribly and different Immigration supervisors view it differently. it's a shame that Milei's immigration person has been so shitty at fixing this. it's been over a year - simplify the process, my dude!

there are many lawyers who advertise 3000 USD etc. services for residency, like Lorena at ARCA, Celano & Associates, and Rubilar with his silly website. i chatted with them all. paid for 3 consults, virtual and in-person. i almost paid someone $2000 USD but decided to try it on my own, and i got my girlfriend a DNI, which she's renewing now for the 2nd term. 90% of people probably wouldn't want to bother, but i learned a lot and it felt good to do it without any local friends/family (other than the cool peeps here who help immensely).

Delgado - hmmm, maybe i'm remembering Celano's name wrong? i feel like there was a Delgado, but i'm looking through email and WhatsApp and i can't find the thread. i also have had weird internet issues the past 2 days, so not sure. feel free to post the response from the office you asked, though! always helps to put their answers public, since they're so secretive about pricing and the process. the easiest is if you have a rental property and can show 2000+ USD per month in an annual rental contract. thus, why my lady got approved and i'm still living Precaria to Precaria.

Lorena at ARCA might tell you a Trust will work if you have a person in the USA to be part of the game:
"About your documents: The trust agreement you have WILL NOT WORK. I need a grantor. Someone who could be a friend or relative of yours. Basically, someone who is granting the trust in your name. I also need a trustee. Someone who would act as the person following the will of the grantor. In any case, any of them will do anything. It is just for the purpose of the [Rentista Trust]. If you think you could have two people playing the roles of grantor and trustee, we are in. The money is not the problem in your case. It is how you instrument the income." (Dec2023)

Hector Gabriel Celano was horrible at responding, and his office was so slow that they told me they were considering stopping new clients (Dec2023), because something-something-apology commercial clients....unprofessional, as most are. they were in a hurry to get my 1500 USD Zelle downpayment, but i waited over a week for a contract and then they told me they couldn't do any work in Dec/Jan, so i'd have to wait til the next calendar year. clowns 🙂

Rubilar makes a lot of big claims but i had a hard time actually finding someone that had a success story under him with Rentista. https://baexpats.org/threads/argentine-citizenship-for-foreigners.10071/post-238834

the only lawyer i liked was the honest and very affordable Agustin Beaudean:

Dr. Agustín Nicolás Beaudean - Agustín Nicolás Beaudean LL.B.
Abogado (UBA) - Lawyer (UBA)
Especialista en Derecho Migratorio - Migratory Law Specialist
Socio Fundador de AEsDeMi - AEsDeMi Founding Associate
Tomo 135 Folio 983 (CPACF) - T135 F983 (Buenos Aires City Bar)
(011) 15-3633-9123 (Llamadas Locales) - 54-9-11-3633-9123 (Whatsapp / International Calls)

he's newer, but since no one really knows what Immigration wants, it may not be a bad thing to have fresh insights. he just seemed like a great person when we met, whereas Lorena responds like a bitch in email, Celano is too buy with Commercial clients, Rubilar is a goof and likely scammer, and most others just don't answer messages (typical Argentina).

you can try Trust, LLC, etc. - just a matter of how much patience and paperwork you have the capacity for. i had to convince Cordoba province to let me use a High-Yield Savings Account with 40k USD in it for a 1-year Rentista residency, and i got it all done and made the transfers fixed, did all the Apostille and translation and legalized accountant statements, and then i ended up buying a house in Mendoza province and Cordoba lost my digital fingerprints and photo. so i had to go back. when i transferred to Mendoza Immigration, they would NOT accept fixed HYSA transfers monthly, and instead wanted me to just deposit 12,000 USD in an Argentine bank account for 1 year of residency and DNI (which CABA and Cordoba said was NOT possible just to pay). now, i'm arguing and close to getting the Supervisor to see that i'm correct on the law and i have the money coming in monthly. note that having a house, full life, utilities. hundreds of thousands of dollars of crypto savings, etc. all DO NOT MATTER to Immigration...you need fixed income, and you need to deposit thousands of dollars in an Argentine account.

 

[Uncle Wong]

@Betsy Ross and @Wally thanks for the timeline...i don't need the Deed, it's just funny that in other countries you sign and pay and get the paperwork all in the same day as the house keys...what on earth could possibly take 8 months to put a stamp on something? lol, what a clownshow. still much to be chainsawed here, for many years, to undo the decades of socialism

@Bingo great that you've already been - then you know 90% of what i was going to say! i would for sure never book an Airbnb or local rental for a year, but many people here may do that, so hit up the veterans and ask how you should go about it. i loved moving around every 1-4 months. one day of moving every now and then, and i've seen exponentially more of the real Argentina than the Palermo permatourists. not everyone wants to be a gypsy, though, and that's okay. maybe for your situation it would help others now and in the future to see how a real-time housing search works?

without getting too nosy, let us know your price range and basic preferences, and i'd love to help find some Airbnb listings for you. often, i rent on Airbnb for a month, and the first week if it's good i will offer to pay USD cash or Zelle to the owner, to do a mid-term rent contract. Locals are very distrustful of everyone, which you might be referring to by "stubborn" - it's more of a scam-ridden society, especially in BsAs, with a low-trust-society aspect of daily life, unfortunately.

there are many countries to retire in, so keep an open mind about the whole world. Argentina pisses me off about many things, but the safety and overall peaceful aspects are hard to beat compared to similar-sized cities in the US and EU in the last 10 years.

overstay dead-horse-beating here for my opinion: https://www.expatsba.com/threads/is-it-true-that-2-visa-overstays-auto-5-year-ban.1844/post-11861

re: Residencies and opinions on Rentier/Rentista, the law is written horribly and different Immigration supervisors view it differently. it's a shame that Milei's immigration person has been so shitty at fixing this. it's been over a year - simplify the process, my dude!

there are many lawyers who advertise 3000 USD etc. services for residency, like Lorena at ARCA, Celano & Associates, and Rubilar with his silly website. i chatted with them all. paid for 3 consults, virtual and in-person. i almost paid someone $2000 USD but decided to try it on my own, and i got my girlfriend a DNI, which she's renewing now for the 2nd term. 90% of people probably wouldn't want to bother, but i learned a lot and it felt good to do it without any local friends/family (other than the cool peeps here who help immensely).

Delgado - hmmm, maybe i'm remembering Celano's name wrong? i feel like there was a Delgado, but i'm looking through email and WhatsApp and i can't find the thread. i also have had weird internet issues the past 2 days, so not sure. feel free to post the response from the office you asked, though! always helps to put their answers public, since they're so secretive about pricing and the process. the easiest is if you have a rental property and can show 2000+ USD per month in an annual rental contract. thus, why my lady got approved and i'm still living Precaria to Precaria.

Lorena at ARCA might tell you a Trust will work if you have a person in the USA to be part of the game:
"About your documents: The trust agreement you have WILL NOT WORK. I need a grantor. Someone who could be a friend or relative of yours. Basically, someone who is granting the trust in your name. I also need a trustee. Someone who would act as the person following the will of the grantor. In any case, any of them will do anything. It is just for the purpose of the [Rentista Trust]. If you think you could have two people playing the roles of grantor and trustee, we are in. The money is not the problem in your case. It is how you instrument the income." (Dec2023)

Hector Gabriel Celano was horrible at responding, and his office was so slow that they told me they were considering stopping new clients (Dec2023), because something-something-apology commercial clients....unprofessional, as most are. they were in a hurry to get my 1500 USD Zelle downpayment, but i waited over a week for a contract and then they told me they couldn't do any work in Dec/Jan, so i'd have to wait til the next calendar year. clowns 🙂

Rubilar makes a lot of big claims but i had a hard time actually finding someone that had a success story under him with Rentista. https://baexpats.org/threads/argentine-citizenship-for-foreigners.10071/post-238834

the only lawyer i liked was the honest and very affordable Agustin Beaudean:

Dr. Agustín Nicolás Beaudean - Agustín Nicolás Beaudean LL.B.
Abogado (UBA) - Lawyer (UBA)
Especialista en Derecho Migratorio - Migratory Law Specialist
Socio Fundador de AEsDeMi - AEsDeMi Founding Associate
Tomo 135 Folio 983 (CPACF) - T135 F983 (Buenos Aires City Bar)
(011) 15-3633-9123 (Llamadas Locales) - 54-9-11-3633-9123 (Whatsapp / International Calls)

he's newer, but since no one really knows what Immigration wants, it may not be a bad thing to have fresh insights. he just seemed like a great person when we met, whereas Lorena responds like a bitch in email, Celano is too buy with Commercial clients, Rubilar is a goof and likely scammer, and most others just don't answer messages (typical Argentina).

you can try Trust, LLC, etc. - just a matter of how much patience and paperwork you have the capacity for. i had to convince Cordoba province to let me use a High-Yield Savings Account with 40k USD in it for a 1-year Rentista residency, and i got it all done and made the transfers fixed, did all the Apostille and translation and legalized accountant statements, and then i ended up buying a house in Mendoza province and Cordoba lost my digital fingerprints and photo. so i had to go back. when i transferred to Mendoza Immigration, they would NOT accept fixed HYSA transfers monthly, and instead wanted me to just deposit 12,000 USD in an Argentine bank account for 1 year of residency and DNI (which CABA and Cordoba said was NOT possible just to pay). now, i'm arguing and close to getting the Supervisor to see that i'm correct on the law and i have the money coming in monthly. note that having a house, full life, utilities. hundreds of thousands of dollars of crypto savings, etc. all DO NOT MATTER to Immigration...you need fixed income, and you need to deposit thousands of dollars in an Argentine account.

Thanks for posting this. Yikes! This sounds painful! I read a lot of posts and many just said the best way is rentista is the best way with rental income. How do they prove that it is real @StatusNomadicus? I am selling my house but what would stop me from making a fake rental contract with my brother and just having it apostilled and have him deposit cash into my account a few months? How do they prove it? I would guess that all they care about seeing is a rental contract, bank statements showing the rental income?

In some Latin American countries all they want to see is a stupid stamp on the paper. I am just trying to understand how they can prove that the rental contract is real? I mean anyone can just get a friend or family to sign a fake rental contract for a year or 2. Did they want to see mortgage paperwork for the property?

I will probably just overstay in the beginning but I might just do a fake rental contract if that would work. I'd love to hear your opinion on that Status. Because I have all my mortgage paperwork and stuff.

I wouldn't want to go through this mess alone. I can't imagine how much time you have spent. In the grand scheme of things $3k doesn't sound bad if it will guarantee a DNI. I agree about Rubilar. I read a few old posts and I can't find anyone that said they were successful using him recently. The process sounds so long and some people just throwing in the towel might not post back but I would think if people were successful you would hear about it online.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

How do they prove it?

bro i have no idea, but i would lose sleep personally if i made stuff up. supposedly the Hague apostille process can be verified from one country to another, but imagining the peronists in Migraciones contacting the US State Dept or a State's secretary of state to validate a rental lease sounds silly. i have bad luck, so i would never. also keep in mind that Argentine citizenship can't be revoked by the Constitution, but it also says that if you used deceit to obtain residency or citizenship then it can be revoked

for sure i don't think they'd be able to prove you have a house or not. i could look up your parcel with your name if i knew the county. that might be enough to prove you were lying?

yes, they wanted to see proof of everything, and have an accountant verify everything, and a translator translate it all. i think you're better off asking Migraciones directly what they want to see (since each province is different), and then doing exactly that. which requires great Spanish and great patience and time

Rubilar.

if you could find a recent client with a similar story, sure. i couldn't

speaking of Rentista stuff, i had a question for you smart folks here: suppose Migraciones wanted to see an apostilled Rental Lease from your state where a rental property was, and you wanted to get it signed and notarized and apostilled ahead of time, how would you do all of this? the situation i'm helping with is strange because they want a rental contract for all the months requested (a year, a couple months from now, with 2000 USD income monthly 'guaranteed'), so how does someone...

1. get it signed while out of the USA. does the Renter sign it alone? can the Landlord digitally sign?

2. how does the Notarization work remotely? can eNotaries work? some US States accept these virtual witnesses.

3. then the Rentista applicant would need to mail the notarized rental contract to that State's secretary of state to apostille it?

4. then the SoS would have to mail to a friend/family in the USA to send it to Argentina, since Migraciones wants original copies. but all of this takes weeks, not including the snail mail. by then how is anyone getting these year leases apostlled and translated and legalized??

i'm mostly asking because SESpanish (Dan Hickman, solid dude who does Apostille services in TN) no longer offers "True Copy Affidavit" services because TN changed their services, not sure why. so the entire lynchpin of my residency application and the person i'm helping depended on these True Copy Affidavit apostilled packets from TN, to show bank statements and leases and all that, which Argentina accepted in both of our applications. now that it's gone, i'm kinda stuck. any ideas how to get the Lease part physically to Argentina?

 

[Larry]

bro i have no idea, but i would lose sleep personally if i made stuff up.

But why would you lose sleep? You admitted you cheat and escape your country of USA not to pay taxes. Even trying to get rid of passport. Maybe you should lose sleep about that! My American friend said that in USA they send people to jail for that. I think I read you were an ex-cop. That explains it. I read about corrupt American police officers in the USA. You are second ex-police officer I read that escaped the USA to move to Argentina. I think that guy live in Mendoza too. Maybe you two friends? He also in crypto like you.

 

[Betsy Ross]

bro i have no idea, but i would lose sleep personally if i made stuff up. supposedly the Hague apostille process can be verified from one country to another, but imagining the peronists in Migraciones contacting the US State Dept or a State's secretary of state to validate a rental lease sounds silly. i have bad luck, so i would never. also keep in mind that Argentine citizenship can't be revoked by the Constitution, but it also says that if you used deceit to obtain residency or citizenship then it can be revoked

for sure i don't think they'd be able to prove you have a house or not. i could look up your parcel with your name if i knew the county. that might be enough to prove you were lying?

yes, they wanted to see proof of everything, and have an accountant verify everything, and a translator translate it all. i think you're better off asking Migraciones directly what they want to see (since each province is different), and then doing exactly that. which requires great Spanish and great patience and time


if you could find a recent client with a similar story, sure. i couldn't

speaking of Rentista stuff, i had a question for you smart folks here: suppose Migraciones wanted to see an apostilled Rental Lease from your state where a rental property was, and you wanted to get it signed and notarized and apostilled ahead of time, how would you do all of this? the situation i'm helping with is strange because they want a rental contract for all the months requested (a year, a couple months from now, with 2000 USD income monthly 'guaranteed'), so how does someone...

1. get it signed while out of the USA. does the Renter sign it alone? can the Landlord digitally sign?

2. how does the Notarization work remotely? can eNotaries work? some US States accept these virtual witnesses.

3. then the Rentista applicant would need to mail the notarized rental contract to that State's secretary of state to apostille it?

4. then the SoS would have to mail to a friend/family in the USA to send it to Argentina, since Migraciones wants original copies. but all of this takes weeks, not including the snail mail. by then how is anyone getting these year leases apostlled and translated and legalized??

i'm mostly asking because SESpanish (Dan Hickman, solid dude who does Apostille services in TN) no longer offers "True Copy Affidavit" services because TN changed their services, not sure why. so the entire lynchpin of my residency application and the person i'm helping depended on these True Copy Affidavit apostilled packets from TN, to show bank statements and leases and all that, which Argentina accepted in both of our applications. now that it's gone, i'm kinda stuck. any ideas how to get the Lease part physically to Argentina?

I don't think anyone can really answer that because Migraciones is not consistent. You would think they have one rule/law and everyone followed it but based on what friends told me they can have different rules depending on the employees, their manager, the day or the mood they are in. No consistency and it might be different from one day to another. Most people have a frustrating process. Most just hire an attorney and I assume they grease the wheels with someone they know in Migraciones.

A friend told me that Argentina is trying to make it more difficult now. I don't know if that is true or not. In the past a friend tried the e-notarization but hers got rejected here. She had to end up going back to the USA to handle all of this. It was impossible remotely. I don't know if you will experience the same thing but my advice is just because someone was successful or not successful does NOT mean you will have the same experience.

There was a lot of fraud with the True Copy Affidavit. Probably why some are stopping that. When criminals use it I heard they are getting prosecuted and they will get anyone involved with it involved so maybe too much liability or red tape for them. Can your friend just go to the USA and do it on a visit to the US? I would think that without that it will be impossible without making a trip back home once in a while.

It can be a frustrating process.

 

[McDonald]

bro i have no idea, but i would lose sleep personally if i made stuff up. supposedly the Hague apostille process can be verified from one country to another, but imagining the peronists in Migraciones contacting the US State Dept or a State's secretary of state to validate a rental lease sounds silly. i have bad luck, so i would never. also keep in mind that Argentine citizenship can't be revoked by the Constitution, but it also says that if you used deceit to obtain residency or citizenship then it can be revoked

for sure i don't think they'd be able to prove you have a house or not. i could look up your parcel with your name if i knew the county. that might be enough to prove you were lying?

yes, they wanted to see proof of everything, and have an accountant verify everything, and a translator translate it all. i think you're better off asking Migraciones directly what they want to see (since each province is different), and then doing exactly that. which requires great Spanish and great patience and time


if you could find a recent client with a similar story, sure. i couldn't

speaking of Rentista stuff, i had a question for you smart folks here: suppose Migraciones wanted to see an apostilled Rental Lease from your state where a rental property was, and you wanted to get it signed and notarized and apostilled ahead of time, how would you do all of this? the situation i'm helping with is strange because they want a rental contract for all the months requested (a year, a couple months from now, with 2000 USD income monthly 'guaranteed'), so how does someone...

1. get it signed while out of the USA. does the Renter sign it alone? can the Landlord digitally sign?

2. how does the Notarization work remotely? can eNotaries work? some US States accept these virtual witnesses.

3. then the Rentista applicant would need to mail the notarized rental contract to that State's secretary of state to apostille it?

4. then the SoS would have to mail to a friend/family in the USA to send it to Argentina, since Migraciones wants original copies. but all of this takes weeks, not including the snail mail. by then how is anyone getting these year leases apostlled and translated and legalized??

i'm mostly asking because SESpanish (Dan Hickman, solid dude who does Apostille services in TN) no longer offers "True Copy Affidavit" services because TN changed their services, not sure why. so the entire lynchpin of my residency application and the person i'm helping depended on these True Copy Affidavit apostilled packets from TN, to show bank statements and leases and all that, which Argentina accepted in both of our applications. now that it's gone, i'm kinda stuck. any ideas how to get the Lease part physically to Argentina?

No one size solution. You can ask the same office on 2 days and get different answers. Argentina is like that.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

Argentina is like that.

fair enough...i'll keep researching to see what i can replace the Tennessee true-copy affidavit apostilling with, and update you cats

There was a lot of fraud with the True Copy Affidavit

i don't really see how - if the Hague countries can verify each other's documents (does anyone know if Immigration in Argentina has ever done this?), then they can verify the documents aren't fraudulent, right? if they're fake, then the applicant's Residency could be revoked and fines/etc. applied ... not really sure what was wrong with the arrangement

Can your friend just go to the USA and do it on a visit to the US? I would think that without that it will be impossible without making a trip back home once in a while.

yes, just wondering for ME, since i don't plan to fly anytime soon, and i'll have to do this next paperwork session. the True-Copy Affidavit, notarized, apostilled process was amazing while it lasted! Dan Hickman is great for the FBI and Birth Cert stuff, still: https://www.sespanish.com/apostilles-and-authentications/

you cheat and escape your country of USA not to pay taxes.

🤣 bye, commie! lick them boots harder

Even trying to get rid of passport

*citizenship, dumbass. why do you spend hours on this forum spamming peronist sh*t and accusing people of things, when you can't even type and comprehend basic distinctions? how embarrassing and miserable your life must be

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I think I read you were an ex-cop. That explains it. I read about corrupt American police officers in the USA. You are second ex-police officer I read that escaped the USA to move to Argentina. I think that guy live in Mendoza too. Maybe you two friends? He also in crypto like you.

why are communists always so obsessed with people who express different opinions? like stalking behavior, obsessing over things, creating fictitious personalities about true-evil people. how weird to be such an ideologically-possessed zombie, and have nothing better to do than just rant on a forum without providing any information to anyone about anything. seriously Larry, if you deleted your account today, every single person on this forum now and in the future would be more intelligent

for those non-retarded people with an IQ above 50 unlike Larry's single-digit amoeba brain, here's a bit of anti-communist wholesomeness to offset his obsession with eViL cOpS (of which he has never met any USA cops in real life)

here's what an actual cop really thinks (1 hour 42 mins)

 

[Avocado]

why are communists always so obsessed with people who express different opinions? like stalking behavior, obsessing over things, creating fictitious personalities about true-evil people. how weird to be such an ideologically-possessed zombie, and have nothing better to do than just rant on a forum without providing any information to anyone about anything. seriously Larry, if you deleted your account today, every single person on this forum now and in the future would be more intelligent

Why you like calling people communists? I don't understand. Some of you posts very good but I don't understand why you like calling people communists that disagree with you.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

communists? I don't understand.

commies never want to consider the other side of the argument (liberty, versus your desire for Central Planning). have you ever googled what socialists advocate for, and realized that you're 95% the same as all the totalitarian dictatorships in history? here's a quick lesson since you can't be bothered to read or watch any of the links i've sent you over the past year:

1. restriction of private property (liberty means the unlimited right to own property as long as it doesn't infringe on others' freedom).
2. obsession with an artificial Worker "Class" and putting people in fake categories like Proletariat or Bourgeoisie (whereas liberty means workers can be poor or rich, and people change social/economic status all the time).
3. equity and diversity quotas, making businesses make decisions they otherwise wouldn't, at gunpoint (whereas outside of your socialist utopia, economic top-down planning fails like every time the Ks/Peronists try).
4. nationalizing industries and companies for 'the common social good' (whereas liberty means the State owns as little as possible).
5. price controls.

you would be a brutal tyrant, if given unlimited power. and your stated intentions would sound as pure as Peron, while you choose winners and losers and cause immense suffering for the people you claim you would protect. communists always are one murder spree away from achieving their paradise. do you even have any idea how much in common your propaganda-driven beliefs are completely in-tune with the wording of Soviet and Fascist and Nazi propaganda? you'd fit-in great in those societies; worshipping the beloved State and grinning when the "bad" Other (rich, jews, minorities, gays, whatever the chosen enemy of the day is) is punished, so you can feel on the side of the Angels against the evil forces

read any Thomas Sowell book....immediately

 

[Betsy Ross]

Thomas Sowell book....immediately

Very good material. I am not so sure I would label many Argentines as communists but definitely a lot of socialists here.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

communists

we've been lied to in our History classes that there's a fundamental difference between fascism, communism, socialism, social democracy, Peronism, etc. - in the end, the true Left and Right are just the same totalitarian results, using different wording and colors and branding. the true "Center" really ought to be liberty, rejecting State control from either 'side' (which are the same in their results).



this chart takes the approach of State to the Left, and liberty to the Right...i've seen better visual examples, but you get the point.

Peronism/Kirchnerism/populism are all just Fascism with empty slogans; in the end, the Nanny State rules with an iron fist, choosing winners and losers, and chasing-away entrepreneurs. Orwell said:

"Communism and fascism are merely variants of the same thing: centralized control over the individual’s life."

this applies to Peronism, as well. there have been zero demonstrations in history that Peron and the later military juntas and craziness were anything other than the perfect implementation of communism - it always goes to a dictatorship, every aspect of society is controlled (under whatever premise the majority will tolerate that year), and a shitload of people die. 100% of the time when you take away the right to speech and property and firearms, in the name of [insert cause of the day here]

since Peron was just a populist that loved Mussolini and Hitler, he was obviously just a fascist. and fascists and communists both want a benevolent State to solve all their problems. the State then turns into a dictatorship...every. single. time.



the only difference between "Democratic" socialism and totalitarian communism is ... time



and last i checked, the ultimate goal of socialism is communism (the OG, Lenin)





Grok AI says:
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1. Friedrich Hayek (on socialism and fascism converging): "The rise of fascism and Nazism was not a reaction against the socialist trends of the preceding period but a necessary outcome of those tendencies."
— The Road to Serfdom (1944)

2. Ludwig von Mises (on socialism leading to authoritarianism): "Every socialist is a disguised dictator." (this one is for you, @Avocado)
— Human Action (1949), suggesting that socialist policies, by concentrating economic and political power, naturally pave the way for dictatorial control akin to fascism or totalitarianism.

3. F.A. Hayek (on collectivism’s shared path): "Socialism can be put into practice only by methods which most socialists disapprove, and the direction in which it leads is not fundamentally different from that of other forms of collectivism like fascism."
— The Road to Serfdom (1944), reinforcing the idea that collectivist systems converge toward centralized power.

4. Karl Popper (on the totalitarian tendencies of utopian ideologies): "The more we try to plan the ideal society, the more we produce conditions that make despotism inevitable."
— The Open Society and Its Enemies (1945), critiquing the shared authoritarian outcomes of communism, socialism, and fascism when pursuing utopian goals.

5. Hannah Arendt (on the mechanics of totalitarianism): "Both fascism and communism, though opposed in rhetoric, rely on the same techniques of propaganda, surveillance, and terror to achieve total domination."
— The Origins of Totalitarianism (1951), highlighting the operational similarities between seemingly opposed ideologies.

6. Milton Friedman (on the erosion of freedom in collectivism): "A society that puts equality—in the sense of equality of outcome—ahead of freedom will end up with neither equality nor freedom. The use of force to achieve equality will destroy freedom, and the force, introduced for good purposes, will end up in the hands of people who use it to promote their own interests."
— Free to Choose (1980), pointing to the authoritarian convergence of socialist and other collectivist systems.

7. Isaiah Berlin (on the dangers of coercive ideologies): "The pursuit of the ideal society, whether through socialism, nationalism, or other grand schemes, often leads to the suppression of individual liberty in the name of the collective good."
— The Crooked Timber of Humanity (1990), noting how collectivist ideologies, including populism and socialism, can mirror totalitarian outcomes.

8. Eric Hoffer (on the fanaticism in mass movements): "The fanaticism of the communist and the fascist is cut from the same cloth; both worship the collective and despise the individual, leading to the same altar of control."
— The True Believer (1951), emphasizing the psychological and structural similarities in extremist ideologies.

9. Raymond Aron (on the convergence of extremist regimes): "The totalitarian regimes of the right and the left differ in their slogans, but their methods—centralized control, suppression of dissent, and the cult of the leader—are strikingly similar."
— The Opium of the Intellectuals (1955), comparing fascist and communist regimes.

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and,

 

[StatusNomadicus]

Collectivist Totalitarianism is the umbrella term for any anti-liberty political idea:

#1

https://x.com/sfliberty/status/1848122084439814397

common elements of Communism and Fascism (and thus, Peronism) are overwhelmingly the same:

#2

https://x.com/electbarnhill/status/1917698352789217438

and

#3

https://x.com/Can_Libertarian/status/1918251927097299220

Peronism was, and Kirchnerism is:

#4

https://x.com/BowTiedMara/status/1765543796597535212

James Lindsay's New Discourses on "Idolatry of the State" shows how the goal is ultimate power. anyone reading Atlas Shrugged or 1984 or Animal Farm knows the feeling of how it develops insidiously.

to sum it up: "Peronism was always just woke fascism"

#5

https://x.com/TheseStairsGoUp/status/1871230077762978090

and Woke Fascists are the stupidest form of Fascists 😉

 

[Colin]

Interesting. Going to check out those links. Thanks for posting all of this. Educational.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

links

do it 🙂 for some reason only a few of the tweets show-up, so the last few are just links to click, but since that's my only complain about this free forum, then we're in a good spot! happy to debate (and change my mind when presented with better logic) anyone who disagrees with any of the authors i've cited here

 

[lemonade]

do it 🙂 for some reason only a few of the tweets show-up, so the last few are just links to click, but since that's my only complain about this free forum, then we're in a good spot! happy to debate (and change my mind when presented with better logic) anyone who disagrees with any of the authors i've cited here

Sometimes it takes me forever to log in to this forum. Does that happen to anyone else? I don't know if it's my browser or slow internet or what but sometimes it takes forever! My only complaint about this wonderful site.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

anyone else?

nope. i had one issue a couple months ago making me log-in multiple times, but zero issues recently. i'm on Brave Browser on Windows, with privacy tools/blocker apps that don't impact the site (Brave Shields and uBlock Origin)

 

[Bingo]

nope. i had one issue a couple months ago making me log-in multiple times, but zero issues recently. i'm on Brave Browser on Windows, with privacy tools/blocker apps that don't impact the site (Brave Shields and uBlock Origin)

That was happening to me too maybe 2 months ago. I asked the admin and they said that there are multiple attempts from some Russian to attack the site.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

updates as of the beginning of June 2025 on Rentista approvals:

1. the person i'm helping got their DNI renewed for a year, with the same few-page letter from Migraciones, stamped by the Immigration officer i negotiated the residency with (not sure why they were so worried about "Buenos Aires approving it" when they were the one to sign the letter. this Expat's daily check of their tramite with their expediente number showed "RESUELTO" after just a few days after i left Immigrations here in Mendoza. good news! (attachment "resuelto").

2. this means a couple things. first, they used a standard lease for their house in the USA to get another residency in Argentina, with the same wording (nothing complicated). BUT, i tried something new; i wrote a bilingual lease and had the tenant/renter sign it with the dates and terms all written in Spanish / English, so as to avoid having to pay a public registered translator to translate the lease (avoiding one step in the red-tape nonsense). the boss at Migraciones looked at the one-page lease and said it needs to be translated, and i, expecting the stupidity from a government official, said "but there's no way Buenos Aires is going to be so silly as to require me to pay $100 USD for a translator to translate one page of Spanish to...Spanish, right??" - and they thought for a second and then agreed to just submit it to headquarters and see if they say anything. it was approved without any issues, so common sense prevailed somehow (it was a bluff by me). Immigration is still not concerned with any details other than a rental property outside of Argentina, with a signed lease at least a year to give a 1-year temporary residency, and no idea that this rental property may be "making" money (last i heard was 2000 USD minimum, but not sure, but that's what i'm still following), even though this rental property makes no money after mortgage/taxes/repairs/fees on Airbnb, etc.

3. and the new packet from Immigration is i think the same as the initial one, it just says it extends/"prorrogar" the expired DNI/residency from the first approval. so unknow right now is if their old DNI # will be changed or if it will just be reactivated with a new card that has the new dates. and i'm not sure if that needs to be ordered and paid for by ReNaPer (it was free, last time, and arrived at the Mendoza Immigration delegation to be picked-up). attachment "disposicion"). the packet is 3 pages, but i just attached the redacted first page.

so looks like the total cost was $120 USD to DHL/FedEx a single rental lease, after it got Apostilled by that US state's secretary of state for about $75 with fees and shipping, no translator needed in Argentina, luckily. then 6000 Pesos for Immigration fees, 4800 Pesos for ReNaPer, and $100 USD for the Rentista application/renewal for someone who is Extra-MerCoSur...

plus, they had to show the rental contract (signed and notarized by the landlord with a digital signature by the tenant, which also was a bluff by me since it was almost impossible to get landlord and tenant to sign in-person while this person is in Argentina and the tenant hadn't moved-in yet and is a stranger), and then sent to the state's Secretary of State which is always an unknown what they want...but this person also had to show DEPOSITS of 17,000 USD with complete tracking from their USA bank, via wire which cost $100 USD after both sides' fees, to Santander USD account here in Argentina. and the data was from a few months ago at the end of 2024, so i was worried it wouldn't be recent enough. but i guess it worked 😛

with Sube card/Uber uses and whatnot else around $45 USD to make it even, i'll call it about $450 USD to renew this person's Residency for a year, after bank wire fees and everything (check my math). and being okay with depositing 17k USD in a USD account here in Argentina. Santander has been pretty good, very minimal complaints.

my situation is not as easy, to be continued...

 

[StatusNomadicus]

for my Residency under "Rentista Savings" that zero people have confirmed works, and no one knows what anyone wants for this, Immigration bosses also want me to deposit $17,000 USD in an Argentine account. that being said, i have never had a DNI# and thus Santander won't let me open an account (the person i'm helping only had to show $1,200 USD deposited in Cordoba via WesternUnion last year to get a Residency and DNI, so they got lucky i guess?)

since i only have a BNA pesos savings account, i can't wire Dollars, so i'm not sure what the best route is. getting 17k USD in Pesos at the 1,195.56 current ARS/USD rate at https://www.westernunion.com/us/en/home.html (not including fees) would be 20,324,520 Pesos, so even if i could get 20,000-Peso notes, this would be 1,017 of those notes, of which i'm certain zero Western Union locations have that much. i'm almost certain i would have to go and get 1,000-Peso note stacks from sending smaller amounts like 2,000 USD to different branches, and thus have to travel a lot of pay higher fees, etc.

anyone have any ideas? anyone know anyone doing the Rentista Savings option with a Trust or High-Yield Savings Account or similar? (using a lawyer or not; i just need to know the logistics and options). if i could deposit to my friend's Santander USD account it would be cake to show the paper trail, and pay a Public Accountant to show that the money is in Argentina, in Dollars or Pesos (the person i helped didn't need an accountant, which saved $100 USD luckily!)

right now i was planning to just get another Precaria and then start the citizenship process without ever having a DNI and just see if it could work. but NOW, with Migraciones being in-charge of Citizenship (which i completely disagree with, and is against the spirit of LLA/Milei's desire to give the national Executive branch less power, not more), this won't be an option according to what they told me in Mendoza this month June 2025. i think my options are:

A. deposit 17,000 USD in various Western Unions and pay a ton in fees, and have to deal with physical cash or risk transferring WU to my Banco Nacion pesos account (which sounds like a nightmare), and hope that the rate doesn't go higher because then i'll have bought Pesos at a bad rate all at once instead of the dollar-cost-averaging i'm doing now. and pay an accountant to legalize the paper trail.

B. kick the can and hope the immigration reforms are common sense when they are released, and i don't need a DNI, temp residency for 3 years, then perm residency for 2 more years without leavng the country ever.

C. get a work visa that comes with a DNI for a year (zero people have said this is possible; most here want to hire people under the table).

D. go to university that will give me a DNI, which takes forever to enroll and then i'd have to actually study (none of the schools here have any topics i'm interested in, and zero classes in English, which may sound dumb but i don't want to get another degree, and i especially think it's dumb to get a degree in Spanish in Argentina, at least with my topics of study).

E. fake marriage or have a kid. horrible option, but literally hear it all the time: 'why not just have a baby here?' - lol lol lol, you know the peronists have destroyed immigration when THAT is the easiest and most logical option. what a horrible reason to bring a life into the world. and i'm not doing a fake marriage with an Argentine to get a passport; it could easily get caught, and i'm too high wealth to risk my crypto assets be seized by a divorce.

anyone else see anything that has worked? i just need a DNI number it seems, then everything else gets smoother afterward. right now my bottleneck is Immigrations saying i need to deposit 5x monthly salary in one lump sum for a year's residency, which is 17,000. maybe i could fly with 17,000 USD into Buenos Aires and declare it, and have that paper trail, and exchange it at a cueva to deposit those pesos in my BNA account? i imagine that will be quite the clusterf^^^