Argentina Rentista Visa for 2024? What is the minimum income now for retirement visa for Argentina?

[Digital Nomad]

you didn't read anything i wrote, Comrade Larry. i wrote a mini essay about all of this; how are you missing the entire premise? this is why i Mute you...you just make everyone dumber by posting here.

27Sep2023: "[...] an annual inflation rate above 100%. The portion of Argentines living in poverty reached 40.1% in the first six months of the year, according to figures released Wednesday by the government’s INDEC statistics agency. That is up from 39.2% in the second half of 2022."

Rising poverty grips Argentina as runaway inflation takes its toll

Homeless shelters in Argentina's capital are seeing demand soar as more people are struggling to make ends meet amid an annual inflation rate above 100% that is pushing more people into poverty.

apnews.com

18Nov2023: "The daunting economic landscape choking Argentine voters - The winning presidential candidate on November 19 will inherit a country with a stagnant economy, inflation over 142%, a 40% poverty rate, and minimal reserves"​

The daunting economic landscape choking Argentine voters

The winning presidential candidate on November 19 will inherit a country with a stagnant economy, inflation over 142%, a 40% poverty rate, and minimal reserves

english.elpais.com

sounds like the Ks who you voted for destroyed the country, and now inflation is slowing and the government's stats about poverty are slightly elevated. but like i said, who is measuring, and how can you prove it, with 80%+ in negra exactly?

here's something you won't like to read, dumb-dumb:

04Dec2023: "Days before leaving office, President Fernández questions Argentina’s official poverty rate - President Alberto Fernández has questioned the INDEC national statistics bureau, saying he think that Argentina’s official poverty rate is “badly measured.' On INDEC’s official figure of 40.1 percent of the country's poor, Fernández told the news agency that 'if there were that much poverty, Argentina would be exploding at the seams.' More than four in 10 Argentines are living in poverty according to the statistics agency, which is tasked with measuring official government data."

why not go argue with him?

Not sure on official poverty rates and what it is exactly but there do seem like there are a lot of poor in Argentina. You can't just judge it by the wealthy in a few cities. Overall throughout the country it does seem very high. I'm not sure what the official numbers truly are but poverty rates are horrible here.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

but poverty rates are horrible here.

sure, and there are subsistence-agriculture-poor folks in every corner of the world. most Argentines would never live in a place near where i was born, for instance:

Suspect on the loose after man killed in Guadalupe shooting

A man is dead after a shooting in Guadalupe on Saturday night.

www.azfamily.com

Guadalupe, Arizona (near Tempe/Chandler/Phoenix) is a shithole with shacks that don't have power or water, and 2 gang families continually shoot each other from an old tribal rivalry. if you want good Meth and Fentanyl, or you need stolen guns with no serial numbers, or sex-trafficking, right off the I-10 interstate you have a couple options because of the trash subhumans in Guadalupe.

poverty exists in every country...the difference is when people choose to stay in their echo-chamber families and never seek a different life. 'you can take someone out of the trailer park, but you can't take the trailer park out of them' comes to mind for most people who choose to stay poor. the tribes in the Andes mountains might not want to become Argentines with DNI numbers; the Amish in the USA are the same. just because an Amish person on paper is "in poverty" doesn't mean anything about their quality of life of opportunities.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

Until I read about it becoming more of an issue or friends having problems, I will consider it safe to enter and leave the country frequently.

everyone ought to go read the updates on immigration/border on the other thread:

Legal Thread 'Any risk to constantly overstaying on tourist visa? How many times can you do border runs in Argentina?'

Dec 19, 2023

I hate to admit this on a public forum but like many expats, I admit it. I'm a perma-tourist. I am American and fell in love with Argentina about 6 years ago. I don't have the money to go through the legal process to get my DNI. I would totally get it as there is no downside for me as I don't own any assets in the USA or anywhere else.

I previously came a few years before covid-19 and I used covid as an excuse to stay here. Argentina I don't think cared and they knew I was trapped here. But now I can't use that excuse. I was going back and forth with Uruguay but the last time I...

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[Aussieland]

everyone ought to go read the updates on immigration/border on the other thread:

Legal Thread 'Any risk to constantly overstaying on tourist visa? How many times can you do border runs in Argentina?'

Dec 19, 2023

I hate to admit this on a public forum but like many expats, I admit it. I'm a perma-tourist. I am American and fell in love with Argentina about 6 years ago. I don't have the money to go through the legal process to get my DNI. I would totally get it as there is no downside for me as I don't own any assets in the USA or anywhere else.

I previously came a few years before covid-19 and I used covid as an excuse to stay here. Argentina I don't think cared and they knew I was trapped here. But now I can't use that excuse. I was going back and forth with Uruguay but the last time I...

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Things are definitely changing. Not sure if this is legal what they are planning but that has never stopped the Argentine government from doing something illegal.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

no new Precaria appeared at the 10-day-prior mark,

continuing on with the tracking of RadEx/Migraciones/Precarias, this week i was able to renew "Renovación" my Precaria on the Migraciones website as normal:

Consulta Unificada Migraciones | argentina.gob.ar

Estado de tu trámite Migraciones, Solicitud de Renovación de Certificado de Residencia Precaria

www.migraciones.gov.ar

i have an in-person appointment at Immigration in a couple weeks, so i did my daily check of my file (always says "In Process of Supervision" for 1-2 months at a time), and when i saw the new button pop-up (on the left) to "Request Renewal of Precaria" i clicked it (attachment "solicite"). even after all this time, at least since May2024 over a year ago, clicking still goes to an Error page (attachment "error").

so since there's an error, most of us would think it didn't work. but it did! look very carefully at the bottom-right of your status page (attachment Renovacion") and you will see a new date entry:

Fecha renovacion Precaria:

from here, you're done. it shows you renewed online before it expired (my Precarias are almost always 90 days, and something like 15 days prior you can renew online like this). you will NOT receive a new Precaria automatically, though. i always have to go the day before or day of (or once i went expired, or "irregular" according to the politically-correct bureaucrats there, lol) with an appointment and beg for them to issue a new Precaria for me.

nothing has changed, and the map to the Mendoza delegation is still incorrect (shows the Fifth Section, even though it's in Guaymallen 50 minutes' walk away). there have been zero improvements on these sites and the process in over a year; very disappointing to see the commies and parasites still very much in control of Immigration still.

in-person appointments still work, based on your province: https://www.migraciones.gob.ar/turnosAsesoramiento/verificar_jurisdiccion.php

(but my Mendoza delegation says all of that is Buenos Aires, and they have no control over dates or anything, and often tell me just to come in without an appt)

about 10 days out right now in May2025.

 

[Larry]

continuing on with the tracking of RadEx/Migraciones/Precarias, this week i was able to renew "Renovación" my Precaria on the Migraciones website as normal:

Consulta Unificada Migraciones | argentina.gob.ar

Estado de tu trámite Migraciones, Solicitud de Renovación de Certificado de Residencia Precaria

www.migraciones.gov.ar

i have an in-person appointment at Immigration in a couple weeks, so i did my daily check of my file (always says "In Process of Supervision" for 1-2 months at a time), and when i saw the new button pop-up (on the left) to "Request Renewal of Precaria" i clicked it (attachment "solicite"). even after all this time, at least since May2024 over a year ago, clicking still goes to an Error page (attachment "error").

so since there's an error, most of us would think it didn't work. but it did! look very carefully at the bottom-right of your status page (attachment Renovacion") and you will see a new date entry:

Fecha renovacion Precaria:

from here, you're done. it shows you renewed online before it expired (my Precarias are almost always 90 days, and something like 15 days prior you can renew online like this). you will NOT receive a new Precaria automatically, though. i always have to go the day before or day of (or once i went expired, or "irregular" according to the politically-correct bureaucrats there, lol) with an appointment and beg for them to issue a new Precaria for me.

nothing has changed, and the map to the Mendoza delegation is still incorrect (shows the Fifth Section, even though it's in Guaymallen 50 minutes' walk away). there have been zero improvements on these sites and the process in over a year; very disappointing to see the commies and parasites still very much in control of Immigration still.

in-person appointments still work, based on your province: https://www.migraciones.gob.ar/turnosAsesoramiento/verificar_jurisdiccion.php

(but my Mendoza delegation says all of that is Buenos Aires, and they have no control over dates or anything, and often tell me just to come in without an appt)

about 10 days out right now in May2025.

Good update. Thank you for sharing. I am glad I have my DNI already and never have to go through this again. Terrible process.

 

[Uncle Wong]

continuing on with the tracking of RadEx/Migraciones/Precarias, this week i was able to renew "Renovación" my Precaria on the Migraciones website as normal:

Consulta Unificada Migraciones | argentina.gob.ar

Estado de tu trámite Migraciones, Solicitud de Renovación de Certificado de Residencia Precaria

www.migraciones.gov.ar

i have an in-person appointment at Immigration in a couple weeks, so i did my daily check of my file (always says "In Process of Supervision" for 1-2 months at a time), and when i saw the new button pop-up (on the left) to "Request Renewal of Precaria" i clicked it (attachment "solicite"). even after all this time, at least since May2024 over a year ago, clicking still goes to an Error page (attachment "error").

so since there's an error, most of us would think it didn't work. but it did! look very carefully at the bottom-right of your status page (attachment Renovacion") and you will see a new date entry:

Fecha renovacion Precaria:

from here, you're done. it shows you renewed online before it expired (my Precarias are almost always 90 days, and something like 15 days prior you can renew online like this). you will NOT receive a new Precaria automatically, though. i always have to go the day before or day of (or once i went expired, or "irregular" according to the politically-correct bureaucrats there, lol) with an appointment and beg for them to issue a new Precaria for me.

nothing has changed, and the map to the Mendoza delegation is still incorrect (shows the Fifth Section, even though it's in Guaymallen 50 minutes' walk away). there have been zero improvements on these sites and the process in over a year; very disappointing to see the commies and parasites still very much in control of Immigration still.

in-person appointments still work, based on your province: https://www.migraciones.gob.ar/turnosAsesoramiento/verificar_jurisdiccion.php

(but my Mendoza delegation says all of that is Buenos Aires, and they have no control over dates or anything, and often tell me just to come in without an appt)

about 10 days out right now in May2025.

Thank you for keeping us updated. Do you regret not using an immigration attorney?

 

[StatusNomadicus]

Do you regret not using an immigration attorney?

nah, but keep in mind that most lawyers either specialize in Residency OR Citizenship...so make sure you ask about both, if you choose to hire one.

i like solving problems, and i'm good at bureaucracy, so patiently waiting for a DNI doesn't bother me. it's sad that Argentina loses billions of dollars a year because Migraciones are horrible and intentionally keep everything backed-up, though. imagine if one of us was hired for 3 years to reform Immigration here...oh mannnnnn, there would be some changes!

also keep in mind @Uncle Wong that you will be waiting for long periods of time even if you pay 2-7k USD for a lawyer; many of the steps you will still need to do yourself, and even with bribes the process is long and annoying. people just pay so that they can have their hand help or stuff translated (or they have zero chance of doing it on their own because they are illegal etc.)

in 2 weeks i'll have another update for you guys

 

[earlyretirement]

nah, but keep in mind that most lawyers either specialize in Residency OR Citizenship...so make sure you ask about both, if you choose to hire one.

i like solving problems, and i'm good at bureaucracy, so patiently waiting for a DNI doesn't bother me. it's sad that Argentina loses billions of dollars a year because Migraciones are horrible and intentionally keep everything backed-up, though. imagine if one of us was hired for 3 years to reform Immigration here...oh mannnnnn, there would be some changes!

also keep in mind @Uncle Wong that you will be waiting for long periods of time even if you pay 2-7k USD for a lawyer; many of the steps you will still need to do yourself, and even with bribes the process is long and annoying. people just pay so that they can have their hand help or stuff translated (or they have zero chance of doing it on their own because they are illegal etc.)

in 2 weeks i'll have another update for you guys

I think if you have NOTHING to do with your time and have tons of time then I guess it doesn't hurt but I guarantee you that you will want to pull your hair out. It's a no brainer getting an immigration attorney. People have to put a value on their time. I value my time about $300 to $500 USD per hour. Aint no way in hell I'm going to try to do it myself.

 

[StatusNomadicus]

I value my time about $300 to $500 USD per hour. Aint no way in hell I'm going to try to do it myself.

lol lol and how many of us can get 300 USD an hour? ahahaha, my man you are probably alone in this, for your forum here 😊

agreed, if you are a multi-billionaire net worth person, pay an attorney 2000-7000 bucks to get it done

for the rest of 99.9% of humans, probably isn't necessary. the old retiree with the local lawyer in my Immigrations office this week didn't seem to be getting any more progress than i was; i learn something new and enjoy the challenge every 3 months...it's temporary, and nothing is guaranteed, and most lawyers still make you do some online tasks and paperwork, and you still have to physically go to the appointment. for me, it's not worth paying 😛

UPDATE for those who are wondering what the Rentista amount is now for June2025:

minimum salary is 313,400 Pesos per month, so x5 is 1,567,000 Pesos

for my case, they want me to deposit into Western Union/etc. to get into my BNA account. i am going to fight this, because i can't just sh*t tons of money when i set-up a Trust high-yield savings account/HYSA for Argentina, with a fixed automatic deposit into my Checking account, but for now they want me to deposit 12 months of this to get 12 months of Temporary Residency (which comes with my first DNI number). this would be 1,567,000 x 12 = 18,804,000 Pesos for a year, or at:

Official 1156.25 = $16,263 USD +WU fee
Blue 1160 = $16,211 USD +commission
Crypto 1198 = $15,697 USD +cueva USDT fee
Santander MEP 1176.15 = $15,988 USD (if i could use my lady's Santander account to wire myself money here...unlikely)

so, about 17 grand USD or something, to transfer from the USA to Argentina and show that it exists in my BNA savings account (of which, without a DNI i can't even use their app...only have a debit card and go to the branch nearby).

needless to say this is a deal-breaker for most people. Mendoza boss is very certain that Buenos Aires bosses won't approve anything else, but i will challenge it. i think i could live for about $2,500 in all utilities/taxes/gym/phone/internet per year now that i own my house, plus food and Apolo beer liters, plus the weed i grow at home, so asking me to transfer 16,000 as well as my lady needing to transfer her own 16,000 USD is pretty crazy. for instance, we just splurged and ate some Indian food, got rice and naan bread and Butter Chicken and a drink for 28,000 Pesos with a 20% cash discount (we never spend this much, not even close), so $24 USD for both of us to be full, and if i did that twice a day for 365 days a year, it would be about $17,500 USD to eat at a nice Indian restaurant twice daily and never cook and all that. so, with the $2,500 USD in other bills, plus luxury food, would be a total of $20,000 USD/year to live normally in Mendoza for both of us, when i own a house and we're frugal, is quite silly. but, we shall play the game! them asking to show $32k USD is insane!

hope this helps - anyone in a similar situation, let me know if you need any info, or have any insights!

 

[daveholman]

lol lol and how many of us can get 300 USD an hour? ahahaha, my man you are probably alone in this, for your forum here 😊

agreed, if you are a multi-billionaire net worth person, pay an attorney 2000-7000 bucks to get it done

for the rest of 99.9% of humans, probably isn't necessary. the old retiree with the local lawyer in my Immigrations office this week didn't seem to be getting any more progress than i was; i learn something new and enjoy the challenge every 3 months...it's temporary, and nothing is guaranteed, and most lawyers still make you do some online tasks and paperwork, and you still have to physically go to the appointment. for me, it's not worth paying 😛

UPDATE for those who are wondering what the Rentista amount is now for June2025:

minimum salary is 313,400 Pesos per month, so x5 is 1,567,000 Pesos

for my case, they want me to deposit into Western Union/etc. to get into my BNA account. i am going to fight this, because i can't just sh*t tons of money when i set-up a Trust high-yield savings account/HYSA for Argentina, with a fixed automatic deposit into my Checking account, but for now they want me to deposit 12 months of this to get 12 months of Temporary Residency (which comes with my first DNI number). this would be 1,567,000 x 12 = 18,804,000 Pesos for a year, or at:

Official 1156.25 = $16,263 USD +WU fee
Blue 1160 = $16,211 USD +commission
Crypto 1198 = $15,697 USD +cueva USDT fee
Santander MEP 1176.15 = $15,988 USD (if i could use my lady's Santander account to wire myself money here...unlikely)

so, about 17 grand USD or something, to transfer from the USA to Argentina and show that it exists in my BNA savings account (of which, without a DNI i can't even use their app...only have a debit card and go to the branch nearby).

needless to say this is a deal-breaker for most people. Mendoza boss is very certain that Buenos Aires bosses won't approve anything else, but i will challenge it. i think i could live for about $2,500 in all utilities/taxes/gym/phone/internet per year now that i own my house, plus food and Apolo beer liters, plus the weed i grow at home, so asking me to transfer 16,000 as well as my lady needing to transfer her own 16,000 USD is pretty crazy. for instance, we just splurged and ate some Indian food, got rice and naan bread and Butter Chicken and a drink for 28,000 Pesos with a 20% cash discount (we never spend this much, not even close), so $24 USD for both of us to be full, and if i did that twice a day for 365 days a year, it would be about $17,500 USD to eat at a nice Indian restaurant twice daily and never cook and all that. so, with the $2,500 USD in other bills, plus luxury food, would be a total of $20,000 USD/year to live normally in Mendoza for both of us, when i own a house and we're frugal, is quite silly. but, we shall play the game! them asking to show $32k USD is insane!

hope this helps - anyone in a similar situation, let me know if you need any info, or have any insights!

I just finished the process for a pensionado visa today. I should have my DNI Tuesday. As far as I know the rentista/pensionado processes are now identical.
The agent never said a word about moving money to an Argentina bank account.

 

[daveholman]

I think if you have NOTHING to do with your time and have tons of time then I guess it doesn't hurt but I guarantee you that you will want to pull your hair out. It's a no brainer getting an immigration attorney. People have to put a value on their time. I value my time about $300 to $500 USD per hour. Aint no way in hell I'm going to try to do it myself.

As a retired old guy, I *don't* have much else to do. But I just finished the process today, and will have my DNI Tuesday. I spent exactly $100 on a legal consultation at the beginning and did everything myself. Biggest roadblock was using a part time translator who took 5 week to translate my papers, and charged me $370.
But I am all in under $600 with apostille fees, translation, penny ante fees from Migraciones, etc. I started around March 15th, submitted my paperwork on RADEX May 5th and got an appointment June 6th.
I spent maybe 12 hours of my time, including the 2 hours today.

 

[Betsy Ross]

lol lol and how many of us can get 300 USD an hour? ahahaha, my man you are probably alone in this, for your forum here 😊

agreed, if you are a multi-billionaire net worth person, pay an attorney 2000-7000 bucks to get it done

for the rest of 99.9% of humans, probably isn't necessary. the old retiree with the local lawyer in my Immigrations office this week didn't seem to be getting any more progress than i was; i learn something new and enjoy the challenge every 3 months...it's temporary, and nothing is guaranteed, and most lawyers still make you do some online tasks and paperwork, and you still have to physically go to the appointment. for me, it's not worth paying 😛

You don’t have to be making $300 an hour. I know people that just take forever and never get it. You aren’t saving money. Look at your situation. You seem like you are also spinning your wheels. All the power to you if you do it yourself but disagree with you that you have to be wealthy to pay someone $2500 to do it.

for my case, they want me to deposit into Western Union/etc. to get into my BNA account. i am going to fight this, because i can't just sh*t tons of money when i set-up a Trust high-yield savings account/HYSA for Argentina, with a fixed automatic deposit into my Checking account, but for now they want me to deposit 12 months of this to get 12 months of Temporary Residency (which comes with my first DNI number). this would be 1,567,000 x 12 = 18,804,000 Pesos for a year, or at:

Official 1156.25 = $16,263 USD +WU fee
Blue 1160 = $16,211 USD +commission
Crypto 1198 = $15,697 USD +cueva USDT fee
Santander MEP 1176.15 = $15,988 USD (if i could use my lady's Santander account to wire myself money here...unlikely)

We can agree to disagree. This sounds completely reasonable and what everyone else is doing. Why are you special or exempt to do this? You want to live in their country you play by their rules. Sounds like you should have hired a lawyer. No offense but your posts sound like you are making very little progress.

 

[Betsy Ross]

As a retired old guy, I *don't* have much else to do. But I just finished the process today, and will have my DNI Tuesday. I spent exactly $100 on a legal consultation at the beginning and did everything myself. Biggest roadblock was using a part time translator who took 5 week to translate my papers, and charged me $370.
But I am all in under $600 with apostille fees, translation, penny ante fees from Migraciones, etc. I started around March 15th, submitted my paperwork on RADEX May 5th and got an appointment June 6th.
I spent maybe 12 hours of my time, including the 2 hours today.

Great! Agree frustrating part is all the translating fees. I posted about what a robbery it is in past posts. Great that you could do it yourself and only took 12 hours. Maybe you can charge and help other foreigners like @StatusNomadicus that can’t seem to get it even after being here over 1 year.

 

[Avocado]

lol lol and how many of us can get 300 USD an hour? ahahaha, my man you are probably alone in this, for your forum here 😊

agreed, if you are a multi-billionaire net worth person, pay an attorney 2000-7000 bucks to get it done

for the rest of 99.9% of humans, probably isn't necessary. the old retiree with the local lawyer in my Immigrations office this week didn't seem to be getting any more progress than i was; i learn something new and enjoy the challenge every 3 months...it's temporary, and nothing is guaranteed, and most lawyers still make you do some online tasks and paperwork, and you still have to physically go to the appointment. for me, it's not worth paying 😛

UPDATE for those who are wondering what the Rentista amount is now for June2025:

minimum salary is 313,400 Pesos per month, so x5 is 1,567,000 Pesos

for my case, they want me to deposit into Western Union/etc. to get into my BNA account. i am going to fight this, because i can't just sh*t tons of money when i set-up a Trust high-yield savings account/HYSA for Argentina, with a fixed automatic deposit into my Checking account, but for now they want me to deposit 12 months of this to get 12 months of Temporary Residency (which comes with my first DNI number). this would be 1,567,000 x 12 = 18,804,000 Pesos for a year, or at:

Official 1156.25 = $16,263 USD +WU fee
Blue 1160 = $16,211 USD +commission
Crypto 1198 = $15,697 USD +cueva USDT fee
Santander MEP 1176.15 = $15,988 USD (if i could use my lady's Santander account to wire myself money here...unlikely)

so, about 17 grand USD or something, to transfer from the USA to Argentina and show that it exists in my BNA savings account (of which, without a DNI i can't even use their app...only have a debit card and go to the branch nearby).

needless to say this is a deal-breaker for most people. Mendoza boss is very certain that Buenos Aires bosses won't approve anything else, but i will challenge it. i think i could live for about $2,500 in all utilities/taxes/gym/phone/internet per year now that i own my house, plus food and Apolo beer liters, plus the weed i grow at home, so asking me to transfer 16,000 as well as my lady needing to transfer her own 16,000 USD is pretty crazy. for instance, we just splurged and ate some Indian food, got rice and naan bread and Butter Chicken and a drink for 28,000 Pesos with a 20% cash discount (we never spend this much, not even close), so $24 USD for both of us to be full, and if i did that twice a day for 365 days a year, it would be about $17,500 USD to eat at a nice Indian restaurant twice daily and never cook and all that. so, with the $2,500 USD in other bills, plus luxury food, would be a total of $20,000 USD/year to live normally in Mendoza for both of us, when i own a house and we're frugal, is quite silly. but, we shall play the game! them asking to show $32k USD is insane!

hope this helps - anyone in a similar situation, let me know if you need any info, or have any insights!

Sound like you still can’t afford to live in my country. Go back to living in trailer park in you truck like you say before.

I just finished the process for a pensionado visa today. I should have my DNI Tuesday. As far as I know the rentista/pensionado processes are now identical.
The agent never said a word about moving money to an Argentina bank account.

Good for you. I thought you married with kid. They come here yet? They will stay in BA or you live separate? You abandon them?

 

[daveholman]

Sound like you still can’t afford to live in my country. Go back to living in trailer park in you truck like you say before.


Good for you. I thought you married with kid. They come here yet? They will stay in BA or you live separate? You abandon them?

They are coming to visit. They'll be here Tuesday, for a week.
It's up to the Czarina if she wants to live here permanently, or commute, or stay separated

 

[Wally]

They are coming to visit. They'll be here Tuesday, for a week.
It's up to the Czarina if she wants to live here permanently, or commute, or stay separated

How do you have a relationship with marriage remotely?? Sounds like a separation. Good luck. It’s a culture shock for a kid to move here. An adult too. My brother tried moving here with his kids that didn’t speak much Spanish. They didn’t even make it one year. I hope they like Buenos Aires.

 

[James Bond]

They are coming to visit. They'll be here Tuesday, for a week.
It's up to the Czarina if she wants to live here permanently, or commute, or stay separated

Good luck with the visit! Most like Buenos Aires for visiting but living is much different for people that need more space. I have found Europeans that are accustomed to smaller spaces and flats can adapt more easily. I have many mates from the USA that had huge houses and was hard to downgrade to small apartment.

Were you guys on a breakup @daveholman? Or was this BA move a consideration with separation? I had a similar situation with a girlfriend in the UK before I moved to BA but we were not married and no kids involved. Your situation sounds complex!

 

[Betsy Ross]

Good luck with the visit! Most like Buenos Aires for visiting but living is much different for people that need more space. I have found Europeans that are accustomed to smaller spaces and flats can adapt more easily. I have many mates from the USA that had huge houses and was hard to downgrade to small apartment.

Were you guys on a breakup @daveholman? Or was this BA move a consideration with separation? I had a similar situation with a girlfriend in the UK before I moved to BA but we were not married and no kids involved. Your situation sounds complex!

BA can be a culture shock for many. I have several friends that could not adjust to many things here. The noise, not being able to find all the things they normally do. One hated the supermarkets here. The red tape and 2 just moved back to the USA as they found it too expensive in BA for the lifestyle they prefer. They dine out a lot.

I would not dream of making a move with kids here. But if you are married I don’t see any other solution. I thought you said you had successful retirement Dave. Wouldn’t you rather be living with your spouse in the USA? It sounds like you are on a budget here. Was the USA that bad?

 

[daveholman]

How do you have a relationship with marriage remotely?? Sounds like a separation. Good luck. It’s a culture shock for a kid to move here. An adult too. My brother tried moving here with his kids that didn’t speak much Spanish. They didn’t even make it one year. I hope they like Buenos Aires.

We don't do well together full time. It is what it is. We haven't bothered with a divorce because neither of us is looking to marry someone else.
She isn't hot on moving here mostly because of the child. Her mother dragged her from Russia to the US, and she doesn't want to do that to her daughter.