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Argentina Gets $16 Billion US Judgement Tossed on Appeal

But honestly did Milei or Trump really have anything to do with this? Judges at this level don't get bribed. This isn't Argentina. If anything Kicillof and Cristina are the ones that look like geniuses. What am I missing?
 
But honestly did Milei or Trump really have anything to do with this? Judges at this level don't get bribed. This isn't Argentina. If anything Kicillof and Cristina are the ones that look like geniuses. What am I missing?
No, as much as Milei wants to take credit it has nothing to do with Milei's relationship with Trump. My father was a Federal judge.

Neither Milei nor Trump pulled any strings to make this happen. The rumors floating around that Milei’s relationship with Trump influenced the outcome are pure political fiction, born out of the timing of the ruling and the fact that the two leaders have publicly allied themselves.

How the US Federal Courts Actually Work

This isn't a jurisdiction where a politician can just make a phone call to fix a case. The judges on the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit (in New York) are lifetime appointees. They deal with some of the most complex corporate and sovereign litigation in the world.

Argentina won this appeal based on highly technical legal arguments -most likely centering on the "Act of State" doctrine (which prevents US courts from judging the public acts of a recognized foreign sovereign within its own territory) or issues regarding whether US courts were even the proper venue for an Argentine corporate dispute (forum non conveniens). This legal defense has been in motion for years, long before Milei took office or formed an alliance with Trump.

While Milei's government is taking credit for saving the country from bankruptcy, Axel Kicillof and Cristina Fernández de Kirchner are absolutely claiming this as a complete vindication of their strategy.

To their political base, they look like geniuses today. Their narrative is incredibly potent right now: "We reclaimed YPF, secured Vaca Muerta for the Argentine people, and we successfully defeated the Wall Street vulture funds in their own courts without paying them a dime."

Domestically, this is a massive political gift for Kirchnerism. from an international business perspective, the way they executed the seizure still destroyed trust and cratered foreign direct investment for over a decade.
 

It is funny how everyone is trying to take credit now. I think Milei called this press conference because there is a lot of chatter today that Cristina and Axel were right and saved Argentina.

No, as much as Milei wants to take credit it has nothing to do with Milei's relationship with Trump. My father was a Federal judge.

Neither Milei nor Trump pulled any strings to make this happen. The rumors floating around that Milei’s relationship with Trump influenced the outcome are pure political fiction, born out of the timing of the ruling and the fact that the two leaders have publicly allied themselves.

How the US Federal Courts Actually Work

This isn't a jurisdiction where a politician can just make a phone call to fix a case. The judges on the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit (in New York) are lifetime appointees. They deal with some of the most complex corporate and sovereign litigation in the world.

Argentina won this appeal based on highly technical legal arguments -most likely centering on the "Act of State" doctrine (which prevents US courts from judging the public acts of a recognized foreign sovereign within its own territory) or issues regarding whether US courts were even the proper venue for an Argentine corporate dispute (forum non conveniens). This legal defense has been in motion for years, long before Milei took office or formed an alliance with Trump.

While Milei's government is taking credit for saving the country from bankruptcy, Axel Kicillof and Cristina Fernández de Kirchner are absolutely claiming this as a complete vindication of their strategy.

To their political base, they look like geniuses today. Their narrative is incredibly potent right now: "We reclaimed YPF, secured Vaca Muerta for the Argentine people, and we successfully defeated the Wall Street vulture funds in their own courts without paying them a dime."

Domestically, this is a massive political gift for Kirchnerism. from an international business perspective, the way they executed the seizure still destroyed trust and cratered foreign direct investment for over a decade.
Correct. Milei had nothing to do with this.
 
Actually Milei was the most important person of all, without his special relationship with Trump no-one in the USA would have known or,cared about the case especially with the war in Iran. Lazy incompetent judges would have just upheld the verdict to start their weekend early. Milei is why they overturned it. Thankyou President Milei
 
Actually Milei was the most important person of all, without his special relationship with Trump no-one in the USA would have known or,cared about the case especially with the war in Iran. Lazy incompetent judges would have just upheld the verdict to start their weekend early. Milei is why they overturned it. Thankyou President Milei

Seriously doubt it. That's not how federal courts work. @Nasdaq is correct. What Cristina and Kicillof did was terrible but they are just saying they were right all along and were proven right.
 
You nailed it as usual Craig. I posted about it this morning. I've been posting how FDI is actually net negative in 2025. Many companies racing to get out. They used Milei as exit liquidity.


Thanks Mike, that is very well written. I understand the populist reaction but seeing every politician try to take credit for it like Argentina just won the World Cup, it sends all the wrong signals.
 
Actually Milei was the most important person of all, without his special relationship with Trump no-one in the USA would have known or,cared about the case especially with the war in Iran. Lazy incompetent judges would have just upheld the verdict to start their weekend early. Milei is why they overturned it. Thankyou President Milei
Actually no this isn't true. Milei didn't have anything to do with this outcome. He wants people to think he does but that's not how it works. Trump either. People don't know how the court systems work here. These judges were Democrat placed. They are there for life. They certainly aren't going to listen to anything Trump or Milei says.

Thanks Mike, that is very well written. I understand the populist reaction but seeing every politician try to take credit for it like Argentina just won the World Cup, it sends all the wrong signals.

That is what annoys me. You have everyone under the sun now trying to take credit for this. It boggles my mind that is the approach they are taking. Milei did a press conference last night trying to take credit. People wonder why there is net negative foreign investments under Milei.


Even the judge ruling in favor had this warning:

US Circuit Judge Denny Chin authored a scathing assessment of Argentina's behavior, even while ruling in their favor on a technicality of Argentine law.

Argentina's "refusal to honor those protections two decades after making them cast doubt on the security of foreign investment in the country more broadly."

The court explicitly noted that Argentina had made a "knowing and flagrant violation of the promises it made to foreign investors," and pointed out that Argentina originally made those bylaws specifically to assure US investors that their capital would be protected. The fact that the court acknowledged Argentina broke its promise -but ruled they couldn't be punished for it under local law -is exactly what terrifies foreign capital and probably what will keep much FDI on the sidelines.

Industry publications covering the intersection of law and energy investment, such as Discovery Alert and Investment Arbitration Reporter, published analyses today breaking down the new risk matrix for energy companies.

They highlight that this ruling fundamentally alters how sovereign risk is calculated. Because a $16.1 billion expropriation liability was erased on an appellate reinterpretation of local law, legal experts are advising that:

Foreign companies can no longer rely on standard corporate bylaws when dealing with sovereigns.

Energy companies will now have to employ extreme "multiple jurisdiction incorporation strategies" and "treaty shopping" to try and artificially shield their assets from future expropriations.

The sentiment among institutional investors is highly negative regarding the precedent this sets. As one market commentator on Seeking Alpha bluntly summarized the mood on Wall Street today:

"Terrible, terrible decision by the court. Green light for government nationalizations going forward for any and all US traded companies!"

While President Javier Milei is publicly celebrating this as the "greatest judicial victory in national history" because it saves the country from immediate bankruptcy, the global financial press and the US justice system itself is openly warning that this "knowing and flagrant violation" serves as a massive red flag for anyone looking to park long-term capital in Argentina.
 
Thanks Mike, that is very well written. I understand the populist reaction but seeing every politician try to take credit for it like Argentina just won the World Cup, it sends all the wrong signals.

I was thinking this yesterday watching the news conference. It is like Cristina, Axel, Macri, Milei all trying to say they were the key. What a banana republic.
 
Who is really responsable for the YPF decision?

Maybe i should confess that I met a legal guy in a bar in NY a few weeks back and mentioned I thoiught that Argentina was being ripped off by the funds and badly treated by the dourts . He agreed and he sais he would sort it for me as his great grandfather was Scottish...

Can someone tell Milei he has to stick a few USD in my bank account....
 
That is what annoys me. You have everyone under the sun now trying to take credit for this. It boggles my mind that is the approach they are taking. Milei did a press conference last night trying to take credit. People wonder why there is net negative foreign investments under Milei.
Agreed Mike. Argentina is becoming a roach motel, easy to get in but impossible to get out without chewing your arms and legs off.
 
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