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Let's be honest. If this war drags on for too long and the world falls into a recession you will hear a lot of I told you so against Trump. He has been a huge disappointment to me on the no new wars. I don't know what he is thinking.
We can all agree about that. He wants out of this War badly. But not sure there is any easy way out. You kill the leaders dad and family and I don't see any easy way out. Not sure they thought this through well. Seeing all these bombs buildings in Dubai and they probably regret USA going in. I have a friend in Dubai that always sung the praises of it and he fled like a pussy. I have been singing the praises of Argentina for years and how it is a very safe place and isolated from the wars. He just laughed.

He aint laughing so much anymore.
 
That is so wild when I hear 5% monthly inflation. Any time I want to complain about inflation in the US I just think what people are going through in Argentina and I shut my mouth.

It just seems totally unrealistic for inflation in Argentina to go down to reasonable levels. Milei said he will make it go to 0% this year. But it looks like it just keeps going up. Actually when you look at the inflation during his term so far it is so crazy high. You can only blame the previous guy for so long. I still don't see a credible plan to get the inflation to reasonable levels. Now the war will complicate things further.
Inflation isn't ever going to 0% in Argentina. Not even close. I see prices spiking up now. Gas prices are going up which is expected. Price of everything else will follow. Everything here is transported by trucks.
 
Milei is a clown. He always lies. Imagine promising 0% inflation! And people believe that. 🤡

Inflation each month is at least 6% a month!

Imagine this clown saying we will have 0% inflation by end of 2026.


Is this really true? Is there any articles where he promised this? Or is this made up?
 
Is this really true? Is there any articles where he promised this? Or is this made up?
Yes he did promise that. No it is no made up.

 
The books are cooked in both Argentina and USA and probably other places too.

Yes he did promise that. No it is no made up.

Why does he promise things that are impossible? Won't the other side use this during the next election?
 
What Biden was doing was basically the Peronist playbook. Look at the mess Argentina got itself into. It was under the same principles of Biden and Harris. The problem is once you go down that path it is very difficult to come out.
The claim is an opinionated analogy that oversimplifies and overstates the parallels. It draws a loose comparison between U.S. Democratic policies under President Biden and Vice President Harris (2021–2025) and Peronism, Argentina's long-dominant populist movement. While there are superficial similarities in expansive government spending and subsidies, the core "Peronist playbook" involves far more extreme interventionism that Argentina's recent Peronist governments (especially Alberto Fernández's 2019–2023 administration) applied, leading to a genuine economic crisis. The U.S. economy under Biden did not produce a comparable "mess," and the claim that such policies are inherently irreversible is contradicted by Argentina's own post-2023 experience.


What is the "Peronist playbook"?​


Peronism (or Justicialism), founded by Juan Perón in the 1940s–1950s and continued in various forms by later leaders like the Kirchners and Fernández, emphasizes:


  • Massive fiscal expansion, welfare programs, wage hikes, and subsidies funded by deficits and central-bank money printing.
  • Protectionism via import-substitution industrialization (high tariffs, trade controls, currency restrictions).
  • Price freezes/controls, nationalizations (e.g., banks, railways, utilities), and heavy state interference in labor and foreign exchange.
  • Populist redistribution prioritizing "social justice" over fiscal balance, often at the expense of exports and investment.

These policies historically produced short-term gains for workers but led to chronic inflation, debt defaults, capital flight, and stagnation in Argentina due to weak institutions and repeated monetization of deficits.


Argentina's "mess" under recent Peronist rule​


Under Peronist President Alberto Fernández (2019–2023, with Cristina Fernández de Kirchner as vice president), policies reverted to heavy spending, subsidies, price controls, import/export restrictions, and money printing. Results included:


  • Hyperinflation peaking at 211% annually in 2023 (highest in the world at the time).
  • Poverty rates around 40–45%, with extreme poverty rising.
  • GDP contraction (e.g., recession in 2023), negative central-bank reserves, and repeated debt restructurings.
  • Chronic fiscal deficits financed by printing pesos, exacerbating currency controls ("cepo") and economic stagnation.

This was the latest chapter in Argentina's decades-long cycle of Peronist-led crises (multiple hyperinflations and nine debt defaults since the 1970s). The country entered 2023 with 142%+ inflation and minimal reserves.


Biden/Harris policies and U.S. outcomes​


Biden-Harris economic approach included large-scale fiscal stimulus (American Rescue Plan), infrastructure investment, green-energy subsidies (Inflation Reduction Act), student-debt relief attempts, and expanded social programs—contributing to higher deficits and debt. Inflation surged to a peak of 9% in mid-2022 amid post-COVID supply shocks and demand.


However:


  • Strong growth: Real GDP expanded robustly (5.9% in 2021, averaging ~3%+ annually early on, 2.8% in 2024), outperforming G7 peers. Unemployment fell from 6.4% to a low of 3.4% (longest sub-4% stretch since the 1950s–60s), with record job creation (~402,000/month average early in term).
  • Inflation tamed: Peaked at 9% but fell to ~3% by 2023–2024 and 2.7% later, via Federal Reserve rate hikes (independent central bank, not direct monetization of deficits). No hyperinflation or price controls.
  • No nationalizations, extreme protectionism, or currency controls. The U.S. avoided recession ("soft landing") despite forecasts of one.

The U.S. had high deficits (partly from pandemic-era spending continuation) and cumulative inflation (~21% over the term), but outcomes were positive overall: strong recovery, low unemployment, and growth exceeding pre-pandemic trends. This is not comparable to Argentina's crisis.


Similarities exist (populist spending/subsidies, redistribution focus), and some commentators (mostly from libertarian or conservative viewpoints) have labeled aspects "American Peronism" or drawn parallels to Harris's proposals. But core Peronist elements like money-printing for deficits, broad price controls, nationalizations, and ISI were absent in the U.S. Differences in institutions (independent Fed, deep markets, rule of law) prevented a meltdown. Comparisons to Perón are often rhetorical and appear in opinion pieces rather than rigorous economic analyses.


Is it "very difficult to come out"?​


Argentina's experience under Peronism shows reversals are painful and politically hard after decades of entrenchment—but not impossible. Javier Milei (elected 2023 on an anti-Peronist, libertarian platform) implemented austerity: deep spending cuts (30%+ reduction), subsidy removals, deregulation, and fiscal discipline. Results by 2025–2026:


  • Inflation plummeted (from 211% annual in 2023 to ~30–21% annualized, monthly rates ~2–2.7%).
  • First primary budget surplus in over a decade (0.3% of GDP by early 2025).
  • Poverty initially rose but began moderating; GDP contracted short-term but rebounded (projections ~5%+ growth in 2025).
  • Currency controls eased; reserves improved with IMF support.

Milei's "chainsaw" approach proves exit is feasible with radical reforms, though it involved short-term recession and hardship. The U.S., with stronger fundamentals and electoral flexibility, could (and did post-2024) adjust more easily via policy shifts or Fed actions.


Overall verdict: Your analogy captures populist spending risks but exaggerates equivalence. Argentina's crisis stemmed from extreme, repeated Peronist interventionism in a fragile economy—not "the same principles" as Biden-Harris Keynesian stimulus in a resilient superpower. The U.S. avoided a "mess," and Argentina demonstrates that reversal, while challenging, is achievable. Economic outcomes depend heavily on institutions, scale, and execution, not just broad ideology.


Sources (key references drawn from economic analyses, government data, and nonpartisan reports):


  • Council on Foreign Relations backgrounder on Argentina's stability and Peronist policies.
  • FactCheck.org summary of Biden's final economic numbers (GDP, unemployment, inflation).
  • Atlantic Council analysis of Milei's reforms and inflation/poverty trends.
  • Additional context from CFR, IMF-linked reports, and Bureau of Economic Analysis data via aggregated reviews.
 
AI queries produce some interesting stuff but in this case it's trying to compare apples and orangutans. The US economy vs Argentina is like comparing an obese patient to one with stage 4 leukemia. You also get wildly different results from different AI models and whether you're using the free or paid version.
 
AI queries produce some interesting stuff but in this case it's trying to compare apples and orangutans. The US economy vs Argentina is like comparing an obese patient to one with stage 4 leukemia. You also get wildly different results from different AI models and whether you're using the free or paid version.
Sorry, but AI wasn't used in the creation. On the other hand, maybe you'd like to provide evidence which supports your opinion.
 
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AI queries produce some interesting stuff but in this case it's trying to compare apples and orangutans. The US economy vs Argentina is like comparing an obese patient to one with stage 4 leukemia. You also get wildly different results from different AI models and whether you're using the free or paid version.
Yes it is obvious it is all AI and not original thought. No comparison. My recommendation @Content Provider is pay the $20 fee to upgrade AI. 🤣
 
Yes it is obvious it is all AI and not original thought. No comparison. My recommendation @Content Provider is pay the $20 fee to upgrade AI. 🤣
Since you seem to know everything, you probably also know that accusing something of being AI doesn’t actually address the argument being made. It’s an easy shortcut when someone doesn’t want to engage with the ideas themselves. If you disagree with a point in the piece, I’m genuinely open to hearing which part and why—that’s how conversations get interesting. But dismissing something as “AI” instead of responding to the substance doesn’t really add much to the discussion.
 
Since you seem to know everything, you probably also know that accusing something of being AI doesn’t actually address the argument being made. It’s an easy shortcut when someone doesn’t want to engage with the ideas themselves. If you disagree with a point in the piece, I’m genuinely open to hearing which part and why—that’s how conversations get interesting. But dismissing something as “AI” instead of responding to the substance doesn’t really add much to the discussion.
I am on your side that Trump should be in jail. But I'm on these people that say you're just posting AI slop. At least take the time to delete the bold font which is a dead give away. Not worth arguing about politics on an expats forum. 50% will always be arguing endlessly about politicians.
 
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