trump vs venezuela

[GlasgowJohn]

How else could it have been done?

If there is no authorization from the UN , it is illegal for one country to arrest someone else in anotrher country.

It doesnt matter if many people think its a good idea.

Yip , most people agree with the detention but many are not in agreement with the illegal act of the detention and the deaths of Venezuelan and Cunab soldiers in Caracas.

This sort of operation gives legality to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and may encourage China to have a go for Taiwan

 

[jbeas176]

if we were playing poker i would have called his bluff and lost. what an impressive show from the US military. they took down the power grid, blew up a naval port. 2 airports with 150 airplanes and helicopters in the air, took down the guards at the compound probably with night vision googles. got madero and his wife and did it all in 2.5 hours. thats impressive

 

[TonyTigre]

1. No country puts UN laws above their their own laws. Therefore, from the perspective of the country taking the action, it is legal as long as that country's law says it is legal. From the US's perspective, it is legal.

2. Russia, China, or any other country (including the US) will not determine whether to attack based on legality from the perspective of other countries. They will make that determination based on the interests and legality of their own countries, and the risk vs. reward of the operation for their country.

 

[GlasgowJohn]

1. No country puts UN laws above their their own laws. Therefore, from the perspective of the country taking the action, it is legal as long as that country's law says it is legal. From the US's perspective, it is legal.

But US laws do not apply in Venezuela . So the arrest is illegeal.

US laws apply only in USA

 

[Uncle Wong]

if we were playing poker i would have called his bluff and lost. what an impressive show from the US military. they took down the power grid, blew up a naval port. 2 airports with 150 airplanes and helicopters in the air, took down the guards at the compound probably with night vision googles. got madero and his wife and did it all in 2.5 hours. thats impressive

For sure the USA must have had cooperation from inside Venezuela and high ranking officials. Still an incredible show of force!

1. No country puts UN laws above their their own laws. Therefore, from the perspective of the country taking the action, it is legal as long as that country's law says it is legal. From the US's perspective, it is legal.

2. Russia, China, or any other country (including the US) will not determine whether to attack based on legality from the perspective of other countries. They will make that determination based on the interests and legality of their own countries, and the risk vs. reward of the operation for their country.

I don't think the USA really cares what other countries think. In their mind it was the right action and they might do it again.

But US laws do not apply in Venezuela . So the arrest is illegeal.

US laws apply only in USA

But Maduro wasn't respecting the laws in Venezuela either. For the greater good.

 

[Blockchain]

If there is no authorization from the UN , it is illegal for one country to arrest someone else in anotrher country.

It doesnt matter if many people think its a good idea.

Yip , most people agree with the detention but many are not in agreement with the illegal act of the detention and the deaths of Venezuelan and Cunab soldiers in Caracas.

This sort of operation gives legality to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and may encourage China to have a go for Taiwan

I doubt Trump cares what the UN thinks is illegal.

I guess it doesn't matter if some people think it's a bad idea either.

if we were playing poker i would have called his bluff and lost. what an impressive show from the US military. they took down the power grid, blew up a naval port. 2 airports with 150 airplanes and helicopters in the air, took down the guards at the compound probably with night vision googles. got madero and his wife and did it all in 2.5 hours. thats impressive

Lesson in all of this is don't mess with the USA.

 

[TonyTigre]

But US laws do not apply in Venezuela . So the arrest is illegeal.

US laws apply only in USA

The US Supreme Court disagrees with you. That's all that matters from the US's perspective.

Take a look at the case with Manuel Noriega.

 

[Betsy Ross]

The US Supreme Court disagrees with you. That's all that matters from the US's perspective.

Take a look at the case with Manuel Noriega.

Correct. This isn't the first time this has happened and I have a feeling it won't be the last.

I just hope it doesn't 't set a precedent for many nations doing shady things but fortunately there isn't many countries like what Venezuela was doing to it's people.

To John's point the United Nations has condemned Trump's attack.

US allies and adversaries use UN meeting to critique Venezuela intervention as America defends it

Allies and adversaries of the United States have used an emergency meeting of the U.N. Security Council to voice opposition to the audacious U.S. military operation in Venezuela that captured leader Nicolás Maduro.

apnews.com

 

[lemonade]

I would be worried if I were the President of Colombia. I saw Petro yesterday mocking Trump with the same type of "come and get me". That might not age well.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-05/trump-warns-colombia-in-threat-to-other-drug-producing-countries?cmpid=eveus&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=260105&utm_campaign=eveus&embedded-checkout=true

 

[oil rush]

Fixing Venezuela will take many years. True there is a lot of oil under the ground but it will take over $100 billion to get those plants running.

 

[GlasgowJohn]

The US Supreme Court disagrees with you. That's all that matters from the US's perspective.

Take a look at the case with Manuel Noriega.

The US Supreme Court is supreme in the USA.
Nowhere else.
Thats a fact.

Venezuela is an independent country

 

[oil rush]

The US Supreme Court is supreme in the USA.
Nowhere else.
Thats a fact.

Venezuela is an independent country

USA doesn't seem to care about the UN. In fact, if the USA walks away from the UN it is probably done. Doubt the other countries will pick up the slack and fund it.

 

[Bingo]

The US Supreme Court is supreme in the USA.
Nowhere else.
Thats a fact.

Venezuela is an independent country

So does that mean you are against what the US did in Venezuela? In the US it's evenly split about what happened in Venezuela. About 40% to 42% and 18% unsure. Most of the people against it are anti-Trump and probably would disagree with anything he did. Every Venezuelan I know is for it.

 

[Nasdaq]

How else could it have been done?

They could have just had him assassinated. It's more impressive how the US did it. Especially with no American lives lost. That was important. If they had even one life lost it would have not gone over as well.

If there is no authorization from the UN , it is illegal for one country to arrest someone else in anotrher country.

It doesnt matter if many people think its a good idea.

Yip , most people agree with the detention but many are not in agreement with the illegal act of the detention and the deaths of Venezuelan and Cunab soldiers in Caracas.

This sort of operation gives legality to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and may encourage China to have a go for Taiwan

Screw the UN.

 

[VINO]

This sort of operation gives legality to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and may encourage China to have a go for Taiwan

I am glad Maduro fell but most Americans are against wars. 75% of Americans oppose military action. Trump seems like he is following Putin's playbook. Invade, occupy, extract.

 

[Starfish]

Saw this online. Awesome.

Sentiments of Venezuelans

I’m going to say this once, and I don’t care if it makes people uncomfortable.


If you have never lived in Venezuela

If you did not grow up there

If you did not watch your country collapse in real time

If you did not stand in food lines

If you did not watch your parents lose everything they built

If you did not have to leave your home with nothing

Then shut the f*ck up.

You do not have an opinion.

Your opinion does not matter.

And you don’t get to lecture anyone about what’s happening there.

I’m Venezuelan.

I lived there most of my life until my early twenties.

I watched my country go from a functioning democracy to full blown socialism right in front of my eyes.

This is not politics to me.

This is trauma.

Before socialism, Venezuela was not perfect, but it worked.

There was trade.

There was money coming in.

There was investment from the US.

There were jobs.

There was food.

There was medicine.

My family had five businesses.

We had our home

We had investments.

We had a future.

Then the government started nationalizing everything.

Private companies were taken.

Foreign investors were pushed out.

Imports were blocked.

Price controls destroyed production.

Corruption exploded.

And everything died.

Not slowly.

Violently.

People didn’t suddenly become poor because of “capitalism” or “the US” or whatever bullshit slogan people like to repeat online.

They became poor because socialism destroyed incentives, destroyed production, destroyed trust, and destroyed hope.

People today in Venezuela are not debating ideology.

They are trying to survive.

They are trying to find food.

Trying to find medication.

Trying to keep their families alive.

So when I see people in the West posting from comfortable homes, full fridges, stable currencies, and safe streets talking about “imperialism” or “US bad” or “Trump this or that”

No.

It’s not complicated.

You’re just ignorant.

China is not rebuilding Venezuela.

Russia is not rebuilding Venezuela.

Cartels are not rebuilding Venezuela.

They are stealing.

They are extracting.

They are draining what’s left.

If the US comes in and reinvests

If refineries get rebuilt

If infrastructure gets restored

If imports open back up

If food, water, and medicine become accessible again

If people can work and earn with dignity

Then yes.

Let them take all the oil they want.

Because at least something gets built instead of destroyed.

This is something to celebrate.

Not because it’s perfect.

But because for the first time in a long time, there is hope.

Hope that families can eat.

Hope that people don’t have to flee their country.


Hope that Venezuela can function again.

If you’ve never lived through a country collapsing

If you’ve never watched socialism destroy everything around you


If you’ve never had to leave your home because staying meant starvation

Then again


Shut the f*ck up.


This isn’t theory.


This isn’t politics.


This is lived experience.

 

[Esposas]

The speed and ease in which this was all done should be scary to other countries. Saw Petro taunting Trump today and thought that was silly.

The 32 Cuban armed guards that died so quickly is a sign to others that this wasn't even a challenge for the US.

Maduro says he was 'kidnapped,' pleads not guilty in New York federal court - Buenos Aires Herald

The ousted Venezuelan leader is facing terrorism and drug trafficking charges. His next hearing will be on March 17

buenosairesherald.com

 

[GlasgowJohn]

So does that mean you are against what the US did in Venezuela? In the US it's evenly split about what happened in Venezuela. About 40% to 42% and 18% unsure. Most of the people against it are anti-Trump and probably would disagree with anything he did. Every Venezuelan I know is for it.

I am against any country that commits illegal acts in another country.

 

[GlasgowJohn]

This morning , I spoke with a friend in Caracas.

He has given all his employees a one week vacation, as its too dangerous to be out in the streets.

There is huge uncertainty about what is happening .

Basically no one is in control

Maduro has been detained but it seems that no one really thought what would happen afterwards.

 

[GlasgowJohn]

Slightly off topic but on the ame theme.
Would it be OK for USA to invade Greenland and oust the current government?