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Poverty has no limit in Argentina

Take a look at what is happening. I am a doctor. People are literally killing themselves because they can't afford their medications. People taking out loans to pay for their medicine.


This is truly sad. We know so many people that got cut off from reimbursements on medications they need and can't afford them now. This is turning out about how we thought it would go. This lady lived in Belgrano not some poor area. Many are struggling. It seems like many are in total denial right now what is happening there.
 
The numbers keep changing every few weeks. I think that's part of the reason why no one believes this government with inflation or poverty or anything else.

March 8 Milei says 12 million people are out of poverty.

March 15 he says it's 15 million people.

No one believes anything he says now.

 
The numbers keep changing every few weeks. I think that's part of the reason why no one believes this government with inflation or poverty or anything else.

March 8 Milei says 12 million people are out of poverty.

March 15 he says it's 15 million people.

No one believes anything he says now.


Every day he seems to have a different number. Is he just full of sh*t?

 
I saw in the paper the government is trying to say poverty fell again. Does anyone believe this? With inflation rising, especially with oil prices going up and wages going up less than the rate of inflation over 5 months how is this miracle happening?
 
I saw in the paper the government is trying to say poverty fell again. Does anyone believe this? With inflation rising, especially with oil prices going up and wages going up less than the rate of inflation over 5 months how is this miracle happening?
Actually poverty probably did fall in 2025. I'm not sure this will be the case moving in the future if inflation keeps going up. I posted about it earlier today.

Private sector formal wages rose 13.2%, public sector wages went up 10.2% and informal "black" wages went up 23.3%.

You can't just take an average of the wages. The basic food basket went up 16%.

Poverty levels did go down over the period because most of the poorest are working in the "black" informal market in Argentina and this category wages went up 23.3% last year which beats the 16% increase in the Canasta Basica Total (CBT).

Their incomes went up faster than the poverty line last year. The middle class is getting crushed but most of them keep their incomes well above the poverty line.

Also, INDEC measures poverty based on Total Family Income, not individual salaries.

And for the poorest, they are also getting government social programs like the Asignación Universal por Hijo. (AUH) Over the course of 2025, the AUH increased 29,162 pesos per child. This represents an accumulated nominal increase of 31.2% over the year which essentially saves them. Their assistance level increase beat the 16% increase in the CBT.

 
Actually poverty probably did fall in 2025. I'm not sure this will be the case moving in the future if inflation keeps going up. I posted about it earlier today.

Private sector formal wages rose 13.2%, public sector wages went up 10.2% and informal "black" wages went up 23.3%.

You can't just take an average of the wages. The basic food basket went up 16%.

Poverty levels did go down over the period because most of the poorest are working in the "black" informal market in Argentina and this category wages went up 23.3% last year which beats the 16% increase in the Canasta Basica Total (CBT).

Their incomes went up faster than the poverty line last year. The middle class is getting crushed but most of them keep their incomes well above the poverty line.

Also, INDEC measures poverty based on Total Family Income, not individual salaries.

And for the poorest, they are also getting government social programs like the Asignación Universal por Hijo. (AUH) Over the course of 2025, the AUH increased 29,162 pesos per child. This represents an accumulated nominal increase of 31.2% over the year which essentially saves them. Their assistance level increase beat the 16% increase in the CBT.


Thanks for that explanation. It is very difficult to understand and even trust what the government puts out. I see a lot more homeless on the street so it is tough to know what is the truth. But your numbers make sense. I didn't realize that government handouts and social programs increased so much. I guess that explains it. As long as that social assistance % beats the food basket inflation then they will survive.
 
Actually poverty probably did fall in 2025. I'm not sure this will be the case moving in the future if inflation keeps going up. I posted about it earlier today.

Private sector formal wages rose 13.2%, public sector wages went up 10.2% and informal "black" wages went up 23.3%.

You can't just take an average of the wages. The basic food basket went up 16%.

Poverty levels did go down over the period because most of the poorest are working in the "black" informal market in Argentina and this category wages went up 23.3% last year which beats the 16% increase in the Canasta Basica Total (CBT).

Their incomes went up faster than the poverty line last year. The middle class is getting crushed but most of them keep their incomes well above the poverty line.

Also, INDEC measures poverty based on Total Family Income, not individual salaries.

And for the poorest, they are also getting government social programs like the Asignación Universal por Hijo. (AUH) Over the course of 2025, the AUH increased 29,162 pesos per child. This represents an accumulated nominal increase of 31.2% over the year which essentially saves them. Their assistance level increase beat the 16% increase in the CBT.


Thanks for that explanation. That makes sense but I just notice a real uptick in homeless I see around town. I guess maybe CABA doesn't represent the rest of Argentina as it is so expensive here relative to other cities. Thank you for posting the data.
 
Actually poverty probably did fall in 2025. I'm not sure this will be the case moving in the future if inflation keeps going up. I posted about it earlier today.

Private sector formal wages rose 13.2%, public sector wages went up 10.2% and informal "black" wages went up 23.3%.

You can't just take an average of the wages. The basic food basket went up 16%.

Poverty levels did go down over the period because most of the poorest are working in the "black" informal market in Argentina and this category wages went up 23.3% last year which beats the 16% increase in the Canasta Basica Total (CBT).

Their incomes went up faster than the poverty line last year. The middle class is getting crushed but most of them keep their incomes well above the poverty line.

Also, INDEC measures poverty based on Total Family Income, not individual salaries.

And for the poorest, they are also getting government social programs like the Asignación Universal por Hijo. (AUH) Over the course of 2025, the AUH increased 29,162 pesos per child. This represents an accumulated nominal increase of 31.2% over the year which essentially saves them. Their assistance level increase beat the 16% increase in the CBT.


Correct. Many are surprised that welfare payments have actually increased with Milei. That is a big reason why some have been more patient than you would think. Their payments went up. The girl that cleans my house has 3 kids and she told me she gets about $700 USD per month in welfare payments. It's the reason why you see so many poor with kids. I was surprised it was so much because that is more than some people make here.
 
Correct. Many are surprised that welfare payments have actually increased with Milei. That is a big reason why some have been more patient than you would think. Their payments went up. The girl that cleans my house has 3 kids and she told me she gets about $700 USD per month in welfare payments. It's the reason why you see so many poor with kids. I was surprised it was so much because that is more than some people make here.
Only good thing this HDP has done!
 
Correct. Many are surprised that welfare payments have actually increased with Milei. That is a big reason why some have been more patient than you would think. Their payments went up. The girl that cleans my house has 3 kids and she told me she gets about $700 USD per month in welfare payments. It's the reason why you see so many poor with kids. I was surprised it was so much because that is more than some people make here.
$700 dollars a month for welfare payments? That seems like a lot. But I guess 3 kids would cost a lot today. I actually was listening to the radio today and someone from the UCA was saying that the inflation numbers are smoke and mirrors. I looked it up and here is what he said.


The Pushback: Agustín Salvia & The UCA​

Agustín Salvia, who heads the UCA's Social Debt Observatory (a highly respected independent body), immediately challenged the government's victory lap. His argument boils down to a severe discrepancy between spreadsheet data and street-level reality. He argues the 28.2% figure is a statistical illusion caused by two main methodological flaws:


1. The Outdated 2004 Basic Basket (Canasta Básica) INDEC calculates the poverty line based on a household consumption basket designed in 2004. Back then, public utility tariffs (electricity, gas, water, transport) were heavily subsidized and made up a tiny fraction of a family's budget. Today, following the aggressive removal of subsidies, those utility costs have skyrocketed. Because the 2004 basket is heavily weighted toward food (which has seen slowing inflation recently) and drastically under-weighs services, the official poverty threshold is artificially low. Families might technically earn enough to clear the official INDEC line, but they are drowning in utility bills.


2. Changes in Measuring Informal Income Salvia also pointed out that INDEC has recently changed how it captures "informal" or under-the-table income in its household surveys. By more aggressively estimating this black-market income, total household earnings look higher on paper than they did in previous years. This mathematically pushes more people above the poverty line without their actual, day-to-day purchasing power improving.

The Broader Context​

This statistical clash perfectly illustrates the tension between macroeconomic charts and everyday survival. It's the exact dynamic of a neighborhood baker struggling to keep the ovens on and pay for electricity, while the government touts an economic miracle on television.

Furthermore, this controversy is fueled by recent institutional drama: Marco Lavagna, the head of INDEC, resigned earlier this year after the government decided to backtrack on updating the measurement methodology, choosing instead to stick with the favorable 2004 basket.

With utility costs completely reshaping household budgets and squeezing the middle class, how are you seeing this shifting reality impact the residential rental market and property valuations on the ground in Buenos Aires?
 
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